[Reader-list] The Epitaph of a Mind: Vir Sanghvi

[Venugopalan K M]

>
> Crass Communalism!!!

Who told you that in Kashmir,Godhra and many more incidents"muslims burnt
hindus?" and " We " have "let" "Them" do so?
(Will you plz stop this nonsense?..)
Regards,
Venu.

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> we should not burn 100 muslims in india
> but
> 1) we should not let muslims burn hindus in india either
> examples- kashmir and godhra and many more.
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> 2) we should not hesitate to stand by our hindu brothers in pakistan and
> bangladesh. because they don't have any secular -human rights brigade in
> these countries.
>
> 'eye for eye will make the whole world blind' -mahatma had said.
> but if we don't defend ourselves there are chances, this  enemy will make
> us totally blind.
> rather we have already experienced it in 1947 unfortunately we have not
> learnt any lesson from the history.
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> vedavati
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> --- On Thu, 26/3/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Epitaph of a Mind: Vir Sanghvi
> To: ysaeed7 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>, "sarai list" <
> reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 8:17 PM
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>
> Dear all
>
> First of all I am very happy that such an article has been put up. Having
> been a consistent reader of Vir Sanghvi's column in Hindustan Times over the
> past few years, I must say that he has stopped any kind of researching,
> which I consider an essential part in journalism. I believe that if research
> into one area has stopped, then it should be started into some other area.
> After reading Sanghvi's articles, I realize he goes on speaking about the
> same things in a merry-go-round.
>
> As far as Sanghvi's article goes, I agree with the above mentioned points
> that it is quite far from reality. Considering that about 35% of the Muslim
> population in the nation (based on Census and obtained from Sachar
> Committee's report), lives in cities, and most of this population lives in
> ghettoes (old city areas generally), and is poor, one would have to see the
> way the state has abandoned itself from its responsibilites in these areas.
> Looking at my own city Bhopal, I can say that not only has the
> administrative work shifted to new city buildings for many purposes, what's
> more, the old city suffers many problems related to water, sewage and other
> kinds handled generally by the municipal corporation, on a daily basis, much
> more than what the new city (read Hindu-dominated areas), face.
>
> The economic situation of Muslims is already very poor, and most Muslim
> ghettoes in India also don't have proper education facilities (or even
> private based schools),  to educate their children. Hence, they have to send
> their children to madrassas. And then, our Vedavati jee and their folk go
> hammer and tongs at these madrassas for giving 'terrorist education' to
> them, when in the first place they should talk about the lack of education
> facilities given to them.
>
> In India, we keep on asking for one ban after the other. When 'Water' was
> supposed to be made in Varanasi by Deepa Mehta, the RSS goons stopped it and
> created violence. When the 'revenge' had to be taken for Gujarat, the very
> same organizations indulged in mass-rapes of women, something unheard of
> even in pre-1992 Gujarat riots by and large. Infact, even districts
> unaffected in any riot since independence witnessed massive violence. And
> then our great Modi has the courage to say this: 'Not more than 100 died in
> the violence, and that too due to police firing'. Later on, he said there
> was no violence at all.
>
> If there was no violence, how come there was the need for police firing??
>
> Hence Sanghvi was definitely wrong in that article.
>
> Inspite of this, I can say that India is on a slightly better footing while
> treating its minorities in practice, for at least they are considered as
> equal with the majority community (read Hindus), and even cases in
> post-Godhra can be re-investigated again and again, while whether I can say
> the same for Pakistan or not, is something I am not sure of. While
> constitutionally Pakistan is an Islamic republic, we are a 'secular,
> socialist, democratic republic', and through constant practice of democracy,
> can at least get our voice heard. (Muslims did in the election mandate of
> 2004, critically in UP and Bihar).
>
> The second part is with respect to this harsh truth.
>
> I don't feel comparisons are the way to find out whether we are doing the
> right thing or not. And if any comparison is to be made, let us do an
> intra-country comparison to find out whether we have done enough for our
> minorities, for our scheduled caste brothers, for the scheduled tribes, for
> the women, for the children, for the unemployed, and for the poor, and if
> yes, upto what extent did they benefit from this, across states, across
> districts, and across villages in a district too.
>
> Instead, we have set Pakistan as a benchmark in many cases. Do we too wish
> to become a Hindu Pakistan? Is that what we want? Let me ask Vedavati jee
> here and others as well. If in Bangladesh tomorrow 100 Hindus are burnt,
> should we respond by burning 100 Muslims here? Tell me this. I think these
> questions are imperative, and in times of elections, should be asked by the
> media to the BJP leaders.
>
> I think as a state, we should set up benchmarks based on principle of
> reason and justice. And that's where we should move towards, rather than
> surpassing China in terms of power, or becoming a Hindu version of Pakistan,
> and portraying our 'mardangi' by nuking them or by killing our Muslims. I
> don't think any Gujarati Hindu who went about raping women post-Godhra ever
> became a 'mard' by doing so in the name of Lord Ram or revenge, for very
> souls of those died in Godhra and Lord Ram himself, must be ashamed of what
> happened in their name.
>
> But I think this question should be solved for once and for all as well
> here.
>
> How many people (Indian non-Muslims) don't trust Indian Muslims? And why?
>
> This is the question we need to ask. We have avoided this for long, and
> have been giving explanations like 'our culture is composite', 'we are all
> human beings', 'we are all the same' and all this. The fact is that Modi and
> his folk won't listen to all this, so now we need to question them instead
> of answering them. Let these folk also do some answering to their part,
> because our reasons would never satisfy them unless they are forced to think
> rationally too.
>
> The other thing I feel, is that these rational discourses may still not be
> useful. We have been discussing about how our culture is composite, and this
> and that? May be what is needed now is conversation and communication
> between people.
>
> Hence, we need to get a public common education system being the same for
> all, which should be mandatory and compulsory for all. No discrimination
> must be allowed here. Moreover, colleges should not be based anymore on
> minority or majority basis, and instead reservations must be provided (the
> guidelines of which can be discussed certainly). Moreover, we also need to
> have public forums where such issues can be discussed. And certainly,
> leaders like Modi and Advani must be questioned on the issues of mistrust
> they have with Muslims of India, to expose them and their party (or set of
> parties), on the fallacies on which they live.
>
> Regards
>
> Rakesh
>
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