[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims

[Pawan Durani]

Dear Shuddha ,

The Hindus use the Bhagwa as a matter of faith and not as a political
ideology. Bhagwa has been used in our nation,Hindustan , since many
centuries.

It was used even during times of Mahabharta and it really does not justify
your statement that Hindutva lobby was following Nepalese royals.

It was unfortunate that we lost the only Hindu Kingdom , due to Communist
influence and nefarious activities.

The same communist Govt wanted the Army to induct criminals to be inducted
in the Army ......and with the grace of God ......the communists lost out.

I personally do not dislike the Green color . I love it . However i believe
that when the Green is altered to prompt others to react , the reaction
should not come as a surprise.

God Bless

Pawan

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:

> Dear All, Dear Jeebesh
>
> I have found this discussion on the shape of flags, affiliations and
> ideological commitments, fascinating. I have the same interest in
> flags that the writer Vladimir Nabakov had in butterflies. i think
> they are even more beautiful when they are lifeless.
>
> Until not so long ago, the erstwhile Kingdom of Nepal was the only
> 'Hindu' state in the world. And yet, I have no recollection of
> 'Hindutva' enthusiasts in India being accused of being stooges of the
> usually inebriated Nepali monarchy. I find this somewhat odd, and
> incongruous.
>
> But,  now that I come to think of it, the Nepali flag consists of two
> near isoceles triangles. And the 'bhagwa dhvaj', or saffron flag, so
> beloved of the bearers of the Hindutva ideal in India is usually also
> flown as a single saffron isoceles triangle. Since such a great deal
> is being made on this list about the correspondences between shapes
> and colours, I thought I might add my own two bits on the surprising
> similarity of the 'isoceles' triangle shape, as seen compared between
> the Royal Nepali flag and the Hindutva flag.
>
> Now, though I am fascinated by flags, unfortunately, patrtiotism (or
> the emotions that most flags conjure) is beyond my modest
> intellectual reach. But I am sure that there are people on this list
> who are, proud patriots, and who wear their Indian nationalism
> (secular or otherwise) prominently on their sleeve.
>
> And, since flags, their shape, size, colour, geometry etc. matter a
> great deal to patriots (they do not, to me, sneaky low-down anarchist
> that I am, but I have heard that patriots are prepared to die for
> these precious fragments of textile) then, to those that they do
> matter, perhaps there would be no doubt (as borne out by the form of
> flags) the Hindutva Held Constituency of this list could be best
> described as the covert flag bearers of the (hopefully) erstwhile
> Royalist Nepali agenda in Indian politics.
>
> I say this only because it makes as much sense to say this as it does
> to read deep meanings into the flags sometime flown in some Muslim
> neighbourhoods in different parts of India. No more, no less.
>
> On a different note altogether, It is my fervent hope that the
> Hindutva Held constituency in India will follow the example set by
> its mentors, the Royal House of Nepal, and take the honourable path
> of auto-destruction, aided, like the late His Highness the Prince
> Dipendra, by means of intoxication and a choice selection of
> automatic weapons.
>
> I wait for that day, eagerly, so that the safforn flag of Hindutva,
> lifeless and beautiful in death, would join my 'butterflag'
> collection of extinct standards.
>
> best
>
> Shuddha
>
>
>
>
> On 05-May-09, at 9:59 PM, Jeebesh wrote:
>
> > dear All,
> >
> > I do not understand how constantly the list members keep attacking the
> > same entity called muslims and indian muslims. Well all attackers call
> > themselves hindus. The viscousness of the attacks baffles me. If they
> > had power and weapons they can do serious damage.
> >
> > On the other hand, i have not seen any person with so called "muslim
> > name" attack a Hindu or Hinduism, on this list.  So why does so called
> > Hindus keep attacking muslims in this list. What kind of blood lust is
> > this?
> >
> > Now days Hinduism is a fairly celebrated religion and thousands of
> > publications and places of worship is a sure sign of that. Yet a weird
> > sense of injured self seem to have justified all kind of rabble
> > rousing.
> >
> > Being cautious of authoritarian organization is one thing, but to keep
> > on attacking a group of people is appalling.
> >
> > warmly
> > jeebesh
> >
> >
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