[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
Shuddhabrata Sengupta
shuddha at sarai.net
Wed May 6 19:00:33 IST 2009
I, for one, am grateful that several hundreds of thousands amongst
our forefathers and foremothers (in all cultures and traditons
available to us) broke the chains of servitude that tied them to ways
of life that denied them a basic human dignity. Our lives would have
been much poorer had it not been for their decisions to walk away
from the faiths that they were born into, and embrace other faiths,
or embrace a space of radical doubt.
Probably, this break, which Chanchal Malviya, reads as a 'betrayal of
Hinduism' (though many of them were not what we recognize as Hindus
today) is what caused a great deal of necessary introspection to
occur amongst the practitioners of the Bhakti traditions in medieval
South Asia. Personally, I think it saved Hinduism, by providing a
catalyst for self-critical reflection. Even a Vivekananda, (who by
the way was an open admirer of the histroy and legacy of Islam in the
south asian subcontinent) would not have been who he was, but for
this long chain of transmission of what Shrimant Malviya dismisses as
betrayal.
I find several of Shrimant Malviya's other assertions laughable,
particularly his suggestion that child marriage in Hindu traditions,
as imposed by Brahmins, is in fact a response to what he
(disgustingly) calls 'Islamic' rapers. Perhaps Shrimant Malviya would
like to consult his nearest available copy of the DharmaShastras, or
even a a reasonable commentary, to explain what the term "Pradanam
prak rtoh" - an explicit legal-scriptural injunction, namely, that a
woman must be given away (in marriage) before she attains puberty
means. Or has he decided that the standard of what constitutes
'childhood' must be re-calibrated in Pre-Islamic South Asia to suit
an eternally flexible and opportunist criterion that Shrimant Malviya
and his cohorts will decide for us. If that is not the case, then
Shrimant Malviya is simply ignorant, (like most Hindutva-vadis are,
of the substantive content of the traditions that they glorify).
Perhaps he could begin to undo the damage he does by learning
elementary Sanskrit, and paying more attention to the collected works
of Narendranath Dutt, also known as Vivekananda.
Namaskar
Shuddha
On 06-May-09, at 9:31 AM, chanchal malviya wrote:
> Indian Muslims are those whose forefathers betrayed with their own
> base foundation Hinduism - either out of fear or lust.
> Indian Muslims are those who historically didn't play a major role
> in Indian Independence, and rather took lead in Khilafat with
> Gandhi (the apostole of peace) to massacre over 10,000 Hindus in
> the name of God...
> Indian Muslims are those who established a thick line in 1947 that
> they cannot live with Hindus who unfortunately happens to be their
> own ancestral brothers...
> India Muslims now have loosed their credibility of being a part of
> Nationalist attitude by publicly denying to accept National Anthem,
> National Song and denying Bharat as maata... when these things
> should have nothing to take with Hindus... but now slogans like
> 'Bharat maata ki Jai', 'Jana gana mana', 'vande maatram'... are all
> part of only Hindu culture...
> Indian Muslims are now a partners of Terrorism, and by and large
> declared Terrorism... most of their leaders shout publicly that
> every Muslim should be a terrorist with some logical background
> that terrorism should be for non-believers often purified through
> management language...
> Indian Muslims or any Muslim in this world (barring exceptions - 1
> to 2 % of the population), has to re-establish their credibility
> that they are humans and worshipers of humanity first before
> unknown, unseen God who according to them hates, prepares fire of
> hell, prepared heaven with houris and virgins, asks people to
> murder...
>
> WHO WILL SOLVE THIS IGNORANCE OF HATRED IN THE NAME OF GOD - ONLY
> HINDUS... That is the reason Muslims have existed from over
> thousand years in India, and Hindus and others have been eliminated
> from Islamic lands...
> Historically proven, demography of today proves this...
>
> One should not enforce their own intolerance upon Hindus in the
> name of Babri and Gujarat Riots... They must go back into 1000
> years of History which created Babri.. Kashmir.. and Godhra... One
> must talk of CAUSE and not EFFECT alone... The Effect on Hindus are
> much deeper than anything else in this world...
>
> The well integrated four Varnas - popularly known as Aryas - were
> divided and remains divided because of Invasion and Western
> Politics still ruling this nation...
> The ever free women of India were put under 'Ghunghat' for ever to
> hide their face from the Islamic looters... Brahmins had to impose
> child marriage among Hindus because their girls were picked away at
> an early age in the name of 'Virgin' given by God to Islamic
> rapers... British took advantage of this and teached the whole
> population that these are the raw culture of Hinduism...
>
> Unfortunate, the same Best Scientists, Philosophers, Pschologists
> and all failed to defeat Swami Vivekananda who put Hinduism on top
> of everything on their land... Read him, read Hinduism from its
> scripture (and not from the mouth of Dr. Zakir Naik)... and you
> will know that WORLD LIVES BECAUSE HINDUISM IS ALIVE EVEN IN ISLAM
> AND CHRISTIANITY...
>
> A person respecting his parents is Hinduism, A person loyarl to his
> Religous Guru is Hinduism, A person dedicated to his job is
> Hinduism, A person marrying and leading a stable family is
> Hinduism... A person getting spiritual in line with God is Hinduism...
> You may change the books, induce impurity in the name of God in
> those books... but the truth will ever remain... The world exists
> because of Hinduism and the world will exist only as long as
> Hinduism is alive - directly or indirectly....
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:38:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
>
> Dear Kshmendra
>
> Who is an Indian Muslim?
>
> We need to answer this before we can answer your "...should they be
> thinking about using the Islamic flag..."
>
> Javed
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Kshmendra Kaul
> <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> QUOTE:
>>
>> It also carried drawings of two white and black flags, the former
>> being the main flag of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him)
>> and the latter his military standard. Even now, black-turbaned
>> TNSM members carry the small white and black flags as they walk
>> ahead of Sufi Mohammad. ...... UNQUOTE
>>
>> This quote is from an article on Maulana Sufi Mohammad written by
>> Rahimullah Yusufzai.
>> http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=175825
>>
>> No green flag. No crescent and star on it.
>>
>> The green flag with the crescent and star on it which is used by
>> Indian Muslims has often caused misunderstandings.
>>
>> One recent example has been Simi Garewal talking about Pakistani
>> Flags being flown by Indian Muslims. She apologised later for
>> having mistaken the Islamic Flag of the Indian Muslims for the
>> Pakistani Flag.
>>
>> The close resemblance between the 2 flags confused even Anupam
>> Chakravartty, who inspite of video coverage from Times Now showing
>> it to be a Pakistani Flag, insisted that what was flown in Assam
>> with " sickle (sic) and star on green background is an islamic
>> symbol"
>> http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2009-April/018755.html
>>
>> In an earlier mail I had commented:
>>
>> """""" If this is factual, then the question arises for the Indian
>> Muslims that should they be thinking about using the Islamic Flag
>> without the Crescent and Star so that it does not appear to be
>> close to being the flag of Pakistan? """"""
>> http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2008-December/017016.html
>>
>> Just thinking aloud
>>
>> Kshmendra
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Shuddhabrata Sengupta
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