[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...

[anupam chakravartty]

bipin, do you even know who safdar hashmi was?

anupam


On 5/7/09, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
> What a joke. Greatest joke of the era to compare Arundhati Roy, Teesta
> Setalvad, Binayak Sen and Safdar Hashmi as today's Kabirs and Dadu.
>
> Sorry its democratic country and freedom of speech must be there, but one
> should respect our historian.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M Javed" <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...
>
>
> > Dear Vedavati
> >
> > You are right that Hindus and Muslims have been living together for
> > 1000 years, but the real reason they lived together was that (despite
> > the Alauddin Khaljis and Ghaznavis and Aurangzebs) there also existed
> > in this country certain saner elements in the form of Kabir, Amir
> > Khusro, Nizamuddin Aulia, Tulsidas, Surdas, Dara Shikoh, Guru Nanak
> > and so on, who kept making efforts to bring people together at one
> > platform despite their differences. And let me tell you that it is
> > these people (Kabir, Nanak, Khusro) who were outcast in those days in
> > the same fashion as you want to outcast your "sickulars". Yet we
> > remember such people as the stalwarts of Indian secular tradition and
> > so on. There may be some issues related to each person, but I consider
> > people like Arundhati Roy, Teesta Setalvad, Binayak Sen and Safdar
> > Hashmi as today's Kabirs and Dadu.
> >
> > If Hindus and Muslims couldn't survive peacefully in the past without
> > the intervention of our Sufis and Bhakts, India cannot survive today
> > without the relentless activism of Setalvad and Swami Agnivesh. I
> > salute them for keeping the sanity alive.
> >
> > Javed
> >
> >
> > On 5/7/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> muslims & hindus need not have to attack eachother. they have been
> living
> >> together in this country since last 1000 years.
> >> but i sincerely feel that both should attack sickulars like arundhati
> >> roy,
> >> tista, left parties and many more,
> >> throw them out of this country (along with gandhian and nehruvian models
> >> of
> >> secularism)
> >> without which true secularism will not be restored
> >> vedavati
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Wed, 6/5/09, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
> >> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 11:08 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> dear vedavati
> >>
> >> and why would muslims attack hindus in any given context, even  IF they
> >> chose to do so whether on the list or off, in the absence of the
> >> sickulars
> >> doing so?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Vedavati Jogi
> >> <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> what you have written is partially correct.
> >>> muslims need not have to attack 'so called' hindus because that job is
> >>> done
> >>> by 'sickulars' on readers-list.
> >>>
> >>> vedavati
> >>>
> >>> --- On Wed, 6/5/09, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
> >>> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >>> Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 12:29 AM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> dear All,
> >>>
> >>> I do not understand how constantly the list members keep attacking the
> >>> same entity called muslims and indian muslims. Well all attackers call
> >>> themselves hindus. The viscousness of the attacks baffles me. If they
> >>> had power and weapons they can do serious damage.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, i have not seen any person with so called "muslim
> >>> name" attack a Hindu or Hinduism, on this list.  So why does so called
> >>> Hindus keep attacking muslims in this list. What kind of blood lust is
> >>> this?
> >>>
> >>> Now days Hinduism is a fairly celebrated religion and thousands of
> >>> publications and places of worship is a sure sign of that. Yet a weird
> >>> sense of injured self seem to have justified all kind of rabble
> rousing.
> >>>
> >>> Being cautious of authoritarian organization is one thing, but to keep
> >>> on attacking a group of people is appalling.
> >>>
> >>> warmly
> >>> jeebesh
> >>>
> >>>
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