[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...
Pawan Durani
pawan.durani at gmail.com
Thu May 7 16:40:28 IST 2009
Looks like we are heading for a record thread mail .....with that i am
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On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
> bipin, do you even know who safdar hashmi was?
>
> anupam
>
>
> On 5/7/09, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
> >
> > What a joke. Greatest joke of the era to compare Arundhati Roy, Teesta
> > Setalvad, Binayak Sen and Safdar Hashmi as today's Kabirs and Dadu.
> >
> > Sorry its democratic country and freedom of speech must be there, but one
> > should respect our historian.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "M Javed" <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> > To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...
> >
> >
> > > Dear Vedavati
> > >
> > > You are right that Hindus and Muslims have been living together for
> > > 1000 years, but the real reason they lived together was that (despite
> > > the Alauddin Khaljis and Ghaznavis and Aurangzebs) there also existed
> > > in this country certain saner elements in the form of Kabir, Amir
> > > Khusro, Nizamuddin Aulia, Tulsidas, Surdas, Dara Shikoh, Guru Nanak
> > > and so on, who kept making efforts to bring people together at one
> > > platform despite their differences. And let me tell you that it is
> > > these people (Kabir, Nanak, Khusro) who were outcast in those days in
> > > the same fashion as you want to outcast your "sickulars". Yet we
> > > remember such people as the stalwarts of Indian secular tradition and
> > > so on. There may be some issues related to each person, but I consider
> > > people like Arundhati Roy, Teesta Setalvad, Binayak Sen and Safdar
> > > Hashmi as today's Kabirs and Dadu.
> > >
> > > If Hindus and Muslims couldn't survive peacefully in the past without
> > > the intervention of our Sufis and Bhakts, India cannot survive today
> > > without the relentless activism of Setalvad and Swami Agnivesh. I
> > > salute them for keeping the sanity alive.
> > >
> > > Javed
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/7/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> muslims & hindus need not have to attack eachother. they have been
> > living
> > >> together in this country since last 1000 years.
> > >> but i sincerely feel that both should attack sickulars like arundhati
> > >> roy,
> > >> tista, left parties and many more,
> > >> throw them out of this country (along with gandhian and nehruvian
> models
> > >> of
> > >> secularism)
> > >> without which true secularism will not be restored
> > >> vedavati
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On Wed, 6/5/09, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
> > >> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > >> Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 11:08 PM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> dear vedavati
> > >>
> > >> and why would muslims attack hindus in any given context, even IF
> they
> > >> chose to do so whether on the list or off, in the absence of the
> > >> sickulars
> > >> doing so?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Vedavati Jogi
> > >> <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> what you have written is partially correct.
> > >>> muslims need not have to attack 'so called' hindus because that job
> is
> > >>> done
> > >>> by 'sickulars' on readers-list.
> > >>>
> > >>> vedavati
> > >>>
> > >>> --- On Wed, 6/5/09, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
> > >>> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > >>> Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 12:29 AM
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> dear All,
> > >>>
> > >>> I do not understand how constantly the list members keep attacking
> the
> > >>> same entity called muslims and indian muslims. Well all attackers
> call
> > >>> themselves hindus. The viscousness of the attacks baffles me. If they
> > >>> had power and weapons they can do serious damage.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the other hand, i have not seen any person with so called "muslim
> > >>> name" attack a Hindu or Hinduism, on this list. So why does so
> called
> > >>> Hindus keep attacking muslims in this list. What kind of blood lust
> is
> > >>> this?
> > >>>
> > >>> Now days Hinduism is a fairly celebrated religion and thousands of
> > >>> publications and places of worship is a sure sign of that. Yet a
> weird
> > >>> sense of injured self seem to have justified all kind of rabble
> > rousing.
> > >>>
> > >>> Being cautious of authoritarian organization is one thing, but to
> keep
> > >>> on attacking a group of people is appalling.
> > >>>
> > >>> warmly
> > >>> jeebesh
> > >>>
> > >>>
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