[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...

[M Javed]

Dear Bipin
Even Kabir was considered a joke in his time - all great reformers
were considered jokers in their times. Gandhi was assassinated by
Godse. And so on and so forth. So, we can't help it if you see history
and present in your skewed way.

J

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:26 PM, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
> What a joke. Greatest joke of the era to compare Arundhati Roy, Teesta
> Setalvad, Binayak Sen and Safdar Hashmi as today's Kabirs and Dadu.
>
> Sorry its democratic country and freedom of speech must be there, but one
> should respect our historian.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Javed" <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...
>
>
>> Dear Vedavati
>>
>> You are right that Hindus and Muslims have been living together for
>> 1000 years, but the real reason they lived together was that (despite
>> the Alauddin Khaljis and Ghaznavis and Aurangzebs) there also existed
>> in this country certain saner elements in the form of Kabir, Amir
>> Khusro, Nizamuddin Aulia, Tulsidas, Surdas, Dara Shikoh, Guru Nanak
>> and so on, who kept making efforts to bring people together at one
>> platform despite their differences. And let me tell you that it is
>> these people (Kabir, Nanak, Khusro) who were outcast in those days in
>> the same fashion as you want to outcast your "sickulars". Yet we
>> remember such people as the stalwarts of Indian secular tradition and
>> so on. There may be some issues related to each person, but I consider
>> people like Arundhati Roy, Teesta Setalvad, Binayak Sen and Safdar
>> Hashmi as today's Kabirs and Dadu.
>>
>> If Hindus and Muslims couldn't survive peacefully in the past without
>> the intervention of our Sufis and Bhakts, India cannot survive today
>> without the relentless activism of Setalvad and Swami Agnivesh. I
>> salute them for keeping the sanity alive.
>>
>> Javed
>>
>>
>> On 5/7/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> muslims & hindus need not have to attack eachother. they have been living
>>> together in this country since last 1000 years.
>>> but i sincerely feel that both should attack sickulars like arundhati
>>> roy,
>>> tista, left parties and many more,
>>> throw them out of this country (along with gandhian and nehruvian models
>>> of
>>> secularism)
>>> without which true secularism will not be restored
>>> vedavati
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 6/5/09, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
>>> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 11:08 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> dear vedavati
>>>
>>> and why would muslims attack hindus in any given context, even  IF they
>>> chose to do so whether on the list or off, in the absence of the
>>> sickulars
>>> doing so?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Vedavati Jogi
>>> <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> what you have written is partially correct.
>>>> muslims need not have to attack 'so called' hindus because that job is
>>>> done
>>>> by 'sickulars' on readers-list.
>>>>
>>>> vedavati
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 6/5/09, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
>>>> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 12:29 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand how constantly the list members keep attacking the
>>>> same entity called muslims and indian muslims. Well all attackers call
>>>> themselves hindus. The viscousness of the attacks baffles me. If they
>>>> had power and weapons they can do serious damage.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, i have not seen any person with so called "muslim
>>>> name" attack a Hindu or Hinduism, on this list.  So why does so called
>>>> Hindus keep attacking muslims in this list. What kind of blood lust is
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> Now days Hinduism is a fairly celebrated religion and thousands of
>>>> publications and places of worship is a sure sign of that. Yet a weird
>>>> sense of injured self seem to have justified all kind of rabble rousing.
>>>>
>>>> Being cautious of authoritarian organization is one thing, but to keep
>>>> on attacking a group of people is appalling.
>>>>
>>>> warmly
>>>> jeebesh
>>>>
>>>>
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