[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...

Vedavati Jogi vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com
Sat May 9 14:38:14 IST 2009 

i didn't know that r.c. mujumdar and others mentioned in my mail were semiliterates, poor learners etc. i think only leftists have right to interpret the history the way they want. 
vedavati

--- On Fri, 8/5/09, Venugopalan K M <kmvenuannur at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Venugopalan K M <kmvenuannur at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...
To: "sarai-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 7:14 PM


Really a pity that a whole array of poor learners, drop outs,semi- literates
  and (certainly a few teachers with their side,too!)still dare to 'correct'
others with the same old stale 'right' lessons, to get rid of in one stroke,
the learning of several years of painstaking researches by  historians, and
the understanding of defenders of human rights and all others concerned with
unity and peace!

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Dear Javed,
>
> First let me correct you. Hindus & Muslims have lived together for last
> 1000 years because thses muslims are originally indians (may be
> hindus-jains-buddhist-.. )
> more than 90% muslims in india are indians because khaljis, tughalaqes,
> mughals etc. came here in thousands and not in crores. I have said it before
> also that Ram (and not Babar) is  their ancestor.
>
> Social tension in those days was not due to these poor hindus & muslims but
> due to Sultans like Aurangzeb and his likes who pulled down Temples,
> imposited  Jizia, forcibly converted Hindus. People were helpless and Sant
> Kabir and Tulasidas tried to pacify them.
>
> Comparing Arundhati and Tista with these Sant Mahatmas is really a mockery
> of History.
>
> I request you to read authentic books on History and not those books having
> leftist or rightist leaning. e.g  volumes written by R. C. Mujumdar, Great
> Divide written by Hodson, Last phase written by Pyrelal, Sole spokesman by
> Ayesha Jalal and many more.
>
> Muslims were reminded of their separate identity by an Educated Muslim -
> Sir Sayyad Ahamad Khan.
>
> And father of Pakistan - Jinnah was initially a very secular person who had
> once expressed his displeasure when Mahatma Gandhi mentioned his religion..
> Gandhi had said that " I am really happy that inspite of being a Muslim,
> Jinnah is doing  so much for Congrass"
>
> This 'inspite of ' had pretty hurt Mr. Jinnah. When Gandhi started Khilafat
> Jinnah was dead against it. Its he who had told Mahatma not to bring
> religion into the politics. Jinnah knew Indian muslims had nothing to do
> with Khilafat. Jinnah was senior to Gandhi- Nehru in Congress, He was the
> trusted man of Lokmanya Tilak. But Mahatma wanted to be the sole spokesman
> for Muslims as well as for the country.
>
> Not religious but political rivalry between Gandhi & Jinnah lead to
> partition of india.
>
> That time (again its a fact) that more 90 % Muslims had
> supported Pakistan  though ultimately they had to stay in India. Not because
> they were supporting secularism but because their daily bread & butter was
> in India.
>
> Seculars rather 'sickulars' keep on reminding Muslims of their separate
> identity. 'Hindu bashing' is a must for them for proving their secular
> credentials. While  for  Politicians, muslims are a votebank'
>
> Which has created gulf between Hindus & Muslims.
>
> I will not hesitate to say it again - Hindus and Muslims should throw these
> seculars out of this country. Which will automatically nullify impact
> of Varun Gandhi's rhetorics.
>
> Vedavati
>
> --- On Thu, 7/5/09, M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of ...
> To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 6:25 PM
>
>
> Dear Vedavati
>
> You are right that Hindus and Muslims have been living together for
> 1000 years, but the real reason they lived together was that (despite
> the Alauddin Khaljis and Ghaznavis and Aurangzebs) there also existed
> in this country certain saner elements in the form of Kabir, Amir
> Khusro, Nizamuddin Aulia, Tulsidas, Surdas, Dara Shikoh, Guru Nanak
> and so on, who kept making efforts to bring people together at one
> platform despite their differences. And let me tell you that it is
> these people (Kabir, Nanak, Khusro) who were outcast in those days in
> the same fashion as you want to outcast your "sickulars". Yet we
> remember such people as the stalwarts of Indian secular tradition and
> so on. There may be some issues related to each person, but I consider
> people like Arundhati Roy, Teesta Setalvad, Binayak Sen and Safdar
> Hashmi as today's Kabirs and Dadu.
>
> If Hindus and Muslims couldn't survive peacefully in the past without
> the intervention of our Sufis and Bhakts, India cannot survive today
> without the relentless activism of Setalvad and Swami Agnivesh. I
> salute them for keeping the sanity alive.
>
> Javed
>
>
> On 5/7/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > muslims & hindus need not have to attack eachother. they have been living
> > together in this country since last 1000 years.
> > but i sincerely feel that both should attack sickulars like arundhati
> roy,
> > tista, left parties and many more,
> > throw them out of this country (along with gandhian and nehruvian models
> of
> > secularism)
> > without which true secularism will not be restored
> > vedavati
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/5/09, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail..com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
> > To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 11:08 PM
> >
> >
> > dear vedavati
> >
> > and why would muslims attack hindus in any given context, even  IF they
> > chose to do so whether on the list or off, in the absence of the
> sickulars
> > doing so?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Vedavati Jogi
> > <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> what you have written is partially correct.
> >> muslims need not have to attack 'so called' hindus because that job is
> >> done
> >> by 'sickulars' on readers-list.
> >>
> >> vedavati
> >>
> >> --- On Wed, 6/5/09, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
> >> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 12:29 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> dear All,
> >>
> >> I do not understand how constantly the list members keep attacking the
> >> same entity called muslims and indian muslims. Well all attackers call
> >> themselves hindus. The viscousness of the attacks baffles me. If they
> >> had power and weapons they can do serious damage.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, i have not seen any person with so called "muslim
> >> name" attack a Hindu or Hinduism, on this list.  So why does so called
> >> Hindus keep attacking muslims in this list. What kind of blood lust is
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Now days Hinduism is a fairly celebrated religion and thousands of
> >> publications and places of worship is a sure sign of that. Yet a weird
> >> sense of injured self seem to have justified all kind of rabble rousing.
> >>
> >> Being cautious of authoritarian organization is one thing, but to keep
> >> on attacking a group of people is appalling.
> >>
> >> warmly
> >> jeebesh
> >>
> >>
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