[Reader-list] Election Forecast

[Aditya Raj Kaul]

seems Inder Salim has been working in a navratan oil company and tired of
the left trade union :P How else would he have so much information about
Advaniji ?

Don't worry Inder Sali, you will have your job; Modi is there still to take
care of you.

Manali is a far dream still for you.

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:

> better than gratuity, ADvani ji might promote Nano car of Tata Ji
>
> and some advertise NAVRATTAN OIL,
>
>  i am sure  he will outwit AmitabBachan on that
>
> and earn more bucks, to  enjoy trout fish with red wine in Manali with
>  VajPAYEE Ji
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Great show by Congress .....
> >
> > However the best thing about this election was the worst performance of
> Left
> > in last 40 years.
> >
> > Advani Ji now needs a peaceful retirement and perhaps may be rewarded
> with
> > Gratuity and other benefits.....
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all
> >>
> >> I had gone out, so apologies (if required) for the delay.
> >>
> >> Unlike Anupam jee, I don't have problems with people changing their
> views
> >> provided they stick to it. So I won't comment on that.
> >>
> >> What I will comment on are some interesting thoughts. First of all,
> India
> >> has a parliamentary system where people choose their representatives on
> the
> >> first by post principle, and there are a number of factors at play. What
> is
> >> certainly not a factor (neither in 2004 nor in 2009 as CSDS surveys done
> by
> >> Yogendra Yadav repeatedly indicate) is the issue of the Prime Minister.
> >>
> >> Forget Advani or Manmohan Singh or Rahul Gandhi or Narendra Modi. Even
> if
> >> Lord Krishna, Lord Ram, Prophet Muhammad or Jesus Christ were to stand
> for
> >> the post of Prime Minister, it would hardly make an effect, simply
> because
> >> people don't vote for personalities as PM. The major issues before
> people
> >> are concerned with their livelihood, be it 'roti, kapda and makan',
> water,
> >> health (this means a good hospital with working people and working
> >> equipments in the village or nearby places), good connection to cities
> >> through roads, education, and in this particular issue, two more issues
> >> were
> >> important: inflation and security.
> >>
> >> So actually, the BJP did have issues to fight with: inflation and
> >> terrorism.
> >> Except that BJP doesn't have a great record in them either.
> >>
> >> As far as inflation is concerned, I can only remind of the 1998
> elections
> >> in
> >> Delhi, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh, where BJP suffered a 440-KV shock
> on
> >> losing state elections. And as for terrorism, we all know how they
> fared.
> >> The Kandahar fiasco, the Parliament attack, the Godhra incident (I
> mention
> >> this here because the Gujarat BJP unit repeatedly mentioned this as an
> >> ISI-sponsored attack, so they can clarify on this. I mention it as an
> >> intelligence failure), the Akshardham temple attack, the Raghunath
> temple
> >> attack, the bomb blasts in Mulund and Ghatkopar, and so on. So before
> >> throwing stones at others, the BJP should look at its' own shallow
> record
> >> with respect to terror in the past.
> >>
> >> And on top of all this, then they have the foolishness in them to say
> that
> >> L.K. Advani is a strong leader. And to indicate this, they had posters
> >> showing Advani clenching his fists! Great! That way we could have put
> one
> >> of
> >> the wrestlers who had won a bronze medal for us in Olympics 2008 as the
> PM
> >> candidate! Nobody could have been stronger than that!
> >>
> >> Strength doesn't come by repeatedly saying that 'I am strong'. A person
> who
> >> is strong will never say that about himself; it's others who say that
> about
> >> him. Here we had Advani shooting off his own mouth about how strong he
> was.
> >> And people knew how to respond.
> >>
> >> Secondly, contrary to your statements Vedavati jee, the BJP hasn't done
> >> that
> >> well as expected. In MP, it was expected to win more than 20 seats. And
> >> Congress was not certainly expecting 10 seats which it won there. As for
> >> Rajasthan, BJP has been wiped out when compared to last election. Only
> >> Chhatisgarh and Gujarat are the states where BJP has done better than
> >> previous times, in addition to Jharkhand of course.
> >>
> >> Thirdly, you are right. BJP should have expanded their base. But base
> could
> >> have been expanded by throwing away Hindutva (which ironically brings to
> >> them supporters like you but alienates many), and trying to become a
> >> right-centrist party. People would have had no problems if BJP had no
> trust
> >> on Pakistan, wanted India to become a super-power, and had stated that
> they
> >> weren't embarassed on their Hindu roots.
> >>
> >> Instead, the BJP just seems hell bent on attacking minorities where and
> >> when
> >> they can (Kandhamal and Karnataka being best examples) and then wants
> >> Muslims and Christians to vote for them! How do they expect a Muslim
> woman
> >> to vote for them when under their reign, she was raped in the name of
> 'Jai
> >> Shree Ram' by activists related to the larger parivar to which the BJP
> >> belongs?
> >>
> >> Similarly on the issue of appeasement. It is right that the Congress and
> >> others have practiced Muslim appeasement. But does this mean Muslims
> should
> >> be punished? When Muslims haven't progressed, then it's the fault of the
> >> Congress. How are they being then 'pampered'? Vote bank politics is
> >> actually
> >> to disadvantage of Muslims, and the BJP should have come to their rescue
> by
> >> providing them development. Instead, the BJP gave them post-Godhra as
> gift.
> >>
> >> Fourth. Can Bipin jee inform me (or anybody else for that matter) as to
> the
> >> proceedings under NDA which point to RTI? I would be glad to know.
> >>
> >> Fifth. Swathi jee, I think you raised two vital points. I agree with you
> >> that it's not the Congress or the Left (do read this Bipin jee, this is
> for
> >> you too) which brought either the NREGA or the RTI, it's the social
> >> movements which brought them. And I appreciate the courage they showed
> in
> >> their movement and the pressure they exerted, which was accepted by the
> >> Left
> >> at very late stage, and finally this act was introduced. One must never
> >> forget the kind of pressure exerted by the Times of India-Economic
> >> Times-Ambani-English mainstream media-their elitist friends combine, to
> >> ensure the NREGA never got passed.
> >>
> >> But the larger point also remains that this govt did pass it. Would the
> NDA
> >> have ever passed it? You know better than me what the answer to that
> would
> >> be. Therefore, we must accept their small contribution to getting this
> act
> >> passed and appreciate it, though the first credit to it lies with all
> those
> >> who fought tooth and nail in the first place to get the act passed.
> >>
> >> And Bipin jee, the NREGA was brought through a social movement. Better
> go
> >> and find about it rather than cribbing about policies you don't know a
> >> thing
> >> about. And as for your infrastructural development, the people of India
> >> would want NREGA first rather than the Golden Quadrilateral.
> >>
> >>
> >> The second point Swathi jee has raised is about an elected PM.
> Personally,
> >> I
> >> would have liked Manmohan Singh jee to fight the election and win it.
> That
> >> would have silenced many people who always look upon him as the 'stooge
> of
> >> Sonia'. However, unlike others, I wouldn't feel so bad about it. The
> larger
> >> issue is always the livelihood of people, and while Sonia may not have
> the
> >> responsibilities of the PM, she has the responsibilities of ensuring her
> >> party wins elections. Therefore, even if the PM doesn't listen, she has
> to
> >> listen to the voice of India, as she had to in the case of NREGA and
> RTI.
> >>
> >> Therefore, I don't worry much whether Manmohan is elected or not. I
> though
> >> have another reason as to why a PM should be elected.
> >>
> >> When a PM like say Vajpayee gets elected and then becomes PM, he knows
> the
> >> ways and means to win elections. And therefore he equally knows when to
> >> start something, where to stop (why, where and when), where to set
> agendas
> >> and where to start working upon them. Manmohan I don't think has that
> >> political experience an elected PM have to manage his allies. This is
> clear
> >> from the way he reacted at different times to the nuclear deal. His
> >> reactions wouldn't have changed so much had he been an elected PM.
> Perhaps
> >> he could have handled the Left better in that case.
> >>
> >> But again this is only my speculation. It may be true, or it may be
> false.
> >>
> >> And democracy is not about elections. It is about giving rights to
> citizens
> >> and ensure that they are indeed actually provided those rights. So an
> >> elected PM or not is not a big issue.
> >>
> >> What is are the rights of people to secure their livelihood.
> >>
> >> If the BJP gains this huge lesson from this election, I would be the
> most
> >> happy person on this planet. And my frustration at this not happening is
> >> what made me write in a nasty way, for which I am sorry. I would not
> repeat
> >> that again.
> >>
> >> And if the BJP doesn't learn it, then we need another party to come at
> >> centre to fight against Congress and displace BJP from its pole.
> >>
> >> And finally, the last word from one of my friends who also happens to be
> a
> >> member of this list:
> >>
> >> The BJP lost because the revenues obtained through growth are spent only
> to
> >> further growth. The Congress won because it spent partially the revenues
> >> obtained through growth to bring up the poor to above-subsistence level
> and
> >> contributed in some measure to equitable development in this manner.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Rakesh
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