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rajenradhika at vsnl.net
rajenradhika at vsnl.net
Sun May 17 14:47:45 IST 2009
Dear All,
the results of elections have a clear message to all the political parties, to shun the politics of hate, revenge and avenging of the past percieved injustices, to live in present, with peace and harmony.
The profile of the voter, presents the true diverse cultures, faiths, traditions but still unity in that diverse diaspora, the unity for the nation, stability for the nation.The voter has again shown the maturity that he is never credited for, by not GIVING a single party even a simple majority, but has given a national party the mandate to govern the nation with the true spirit of constitution.The power to govern also conjoins the responsibilty to the ruling combine, so tempered the power with diverse parties such as regional parties like DMK, NCP to have a sobering effect if power corrupts to give a wake up call.
It is important to note that along with the voters average age of around 62 years, of post independent children of the nation, anew blood of average age group of 22 to 35 years has given the green signal to the life of peace and harmony and decent burial of the past baggage, of hate, prejudices and revenge of the past bygone era.Some may ask me why not the age group of 18 to 21 years in the voter profile, with all humility, I admit my observation is that age group was kiddish, not actively participated in the democratic process with lame excuses, such as four days of holiday binge, exams, so no time etc.Some girls went to the extent of telling me, that they wanted to vote, but heat of summer made them think otherwise.!
Now about the electioneering itself, the biggest percieved wrong that I could make out was the acrimony generated by Advani of manmohan Singh being "weak" with Advanis' photo in media in a gym, perhaps what was lost was the fact that for a leader, what is required is mental toughness, not physical fitness which is available to them at national cost in AIIMS. Further after years of harping about the issue being weak, when Mr, Singh replied Advani of his answer, it was Advani who meekly surrendered , all that he had to say was the fact that, as a PM, he is nominated PM, and hence the post of PM is nominated category has lost the high profile it always had when held by an elected MP. But Advani chose to get hurt and retired has shown that he is mentally not strong for an intellectual to stand by what he has said, he did not even have the courtesy to apologise for the personal comments made, thus came the Modi factor, which as all voters would think twice as to do we need
inclusive growth and ghetts growth in the nation. Development which is not inclusive is not acceptable to the voter of the present generation.
The results have also has proved that the performing assets in parliament will get voted for performance, in broad spectrum of all parties, those who have not performed have as a rule, lost the elections, be it a Manvendra Singh of BJP, or Mani Shankar Iyer or Renuka Choudhary of Congress who were more hot air and sound bytes for tv cameras. Vasundhara Raje Scindia who developed liking for state exchequer to buy the aircrafts and cushy home office , with her fuedal mindset has been again snubbed by the voter acutely.
Further, another important issue to be noted is moral policing even though became sensational song and dance number for tv cameras, item numbers of anchors joined the loosepink chaddi brigade, this is purely a private matter of individual choice as per the voting seen in Mangalore and Udupi where BJP has won better margins than last time inspite of all the item numbers in media. No youngster would like to have any interference by anyone in his personal life and style of living, moral policing is also not acceptable, but the sensationalisation and hype by media was also not acceptable to the voter, as Renuka in her backyard lost the votes for her item number.Privately, many youngsters did not want to be seen expsed on tv cameras, as it was affecting their life and social status. The goon brigades of all faiths were summarily rejected by the young voters, as how they have their personal life was their matter of choice and none had any role to play, be it media or moral br
igades, for that is the individual freedom to live life to best of the knowledge they have had of life.
The important issue to be noted is no party has even simpe majority, which reflects the mind of the voter, as he has seen the brute majority and its effect on voter, be it in Nandigram, Singur or anywhere, when brute majority turns autocratic, the present youngsters who voted must be aware of the emergncy days, violence when the leaders are arrested, killed, it is the voter who gets maimed and killed as sycophants want to prove the loyalty to the successor, of their "honesty" and "loyalty" to the next power center.The results have again put on caution, the PM and his cabinet, that if you perform you are in governance otherwise......, the party in opposition will be having a next chance to correct themselves and take the rule of laws over to govern. Every success has a failure tagged along with it, the lost one can always be successful, if the party understands the writing on the wall. The varun episode gave many a voters a nightmare of his fathers' behaviour of compulsory
sterilsation, turkmangate demolitions, prejudices of the power corrupt.
It is a open caution to the parties in power in all the states and the central governance that unless performed well, the other parties will be rady to be in power to rule of laws. BJP has to understand this and fine tune its work in the nation, has to stop being rhetoric, and accept with all grace that its electioneering went hooribly off focus from the national issues of price rise, essential coomodities and farmers suicides and it had no plans or did not elucidate to the voter of the plans for future.
Regards,
Rajen.
PS: As my id in google has been compromised, I am using the id in yahoo,--
rajen_uppinangadi at yahoo.co.in
List manager, this is request to include me in the list so that I may have the pleasure of having thoughtful exchanges with members of the list.
Thank you.
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> From: Santhosh Kumar <santhosh.kanipayur at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast
> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
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> Thank Sree Ram, BJP didn't come to power, otherwise Aditya Raj Kaul
> Ji would
> have come personally with a sword or trishul to deal with with
> people like
> Inder Salim Ji and other non Sangh parivar people in this list
>
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:
> > seems Inder Salim has been working in a navratan oil company and
> tired of
> > the left trade union :P How else would he have so much
> information about
> > Advaniji ?
> >
> > Don't worry Inder Sali, you will have your job; Modi is there
> still to take
> > care of you.
> >
> > Manali is a far dream still for you.
> >
> > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Inder Salim
> <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > better than gratuity, ADvani ji might promote Nano car of Tata Ji
> > >
> > > and some advertise NAVRATTAN OIL,
> > >
> > > i am sure he will outwit AmitabBachan on that
> > >
> > > and earn more bucks, to enjoy trout fish with red wine in
> Manali with
> > > VajPAYEE Ji
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Pawan Durani
> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>> > wrote:
> > > > Great show by Congress .....
> > > >
> > > > However the best thing about this election was the worst
> performance of
> > > Left
> > > > in last 40 years.
> > > >
> > > > Advani Ji now needs a peaceful retirement and perhaps may be
> rewarded> > with
> > > > Gratuity and other benefits.....
> > > >
> > > > Pawan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Rakesh Iyer
> <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dear all
> > > >>
> > > >> I had gone out, so apologies (if required) for the delay.
> > > >>
> > > >> Unlike Anupam jee, I don't have problems with people
> changing their
> > > views
> > > >> provided they stick to it. So I won't comment on that.
> > > >>
> > > >> What I will comment on are some interesting thoughts. First
> of all,
> > > India
> > > >> has a parliamentary system where people choose their
> representatives> on
> > > the
> > > >> first by post principle, and there are a number of factors
> at play.
> > What
> > > is
> > > >> certainly not a factor (neither in 2004 nor in 2009 as CSDS
> surveys> done
> > > by
> > > >> Yogendra Yadav repeatedly indicate) is the issue of the Prime
> > Minister.
> > > >>
> > > >> Forget Advani or Manmohan Singh or Rahul Gandhi or Narendra
> Modi. Even
> > > if
> > > >> Lord Krishna, Lord Ram, Prophet Muhammad or Jesus Christ
> were to stand
> > > for
> > > >> the post of Prime Minister, it would hardly make an effect,
> simply> > because
> > > >> people don't vote for personalities as PM. The major issues
> before> > people
> > > >> are concerned with their livelihood, be it 'roti, kapda and
> makan',> > water,
> > > >> health (this means a good hospital with working people and
> working> > >> equipments in the village or nearby places), good
> connection to cities
> > > >> through roads, education, and in this particular issue, two
> more> issues
> > > >> were
> > > >> important: inflation and security.
> > > >>
> > > >> So actually, the BJP did have issues to fight with:
> inflation and
> > > >> terrorism.
> > > >> Except that BJP doesn't have a great record in them either.
> > > >>
> > > >> As far as inflation is concerned, I can only remind of the 1998
> > > elections
> > > >> in
> > > >> Delhi, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh, where BJP suffered a
> 440-KV shock
> > > on
> > > >> losing state elections. And as for terrorism, we all know
> how they
> > > fared.
> > > >> The Kandahar fiasco, the Parliament attack, the Godhra
> incident (I
> > > mention
> > > >> this here because the Gujarat BJP unit repeatedly mentioned
> this as an
> > > >> ISI-sponsored attack, so they can clarify on this. I mention
> it as an
> > > >> intelligence failure), the Akshardham temple attack, the
> Raghunath> > temple
> > > >> attack, the bomb blasts in Mulund and Ghatkopar, and so on.
> So before
> > > >> throwing stones at others, the BJP should look at its' own
> shallow> > record
> > > >> with respect to terror in the past.
> > > >>
> > > >> And on top of all this, then they have the foolishness in
> them to say
> > > that
> > > >> L.K. Advani is a strong leader. And to indicate this, they
> had posters
> > > >> showing Advani clenching his fists! Great! That way we could
> have put
> > > one
> > > >> of
> > > >> the wrestlers who had won a bronze medal for us in Olympics
> 2008 as
> > the
> > > PM
> > > >> candidate! Nobody could have been stronger than that!
> > > >>
> > > >> Strength doesn't come by repeatedly saying that 'I am
> strong'. A
> > person
> > > who
> > > >> is strong will never say that about himself; it's others who
> say that
> > > about
> > > >> him. Here we had Advani shooting off his own mouth about how
> strong he
> > > was.
> > > >> And people knew how to respond.
> > > >>
> > > >> Secondly, contrary to your statements Vedavati jee, the BJP
> hasn't> done
> > > >> that
> > > >> well as expected. In MP, it was expected to win more than 20
> seats.> And
> > > >> Congress was not certainly expecting 10 seats which it won
> there. As
> > for
> > > >> Rajasthan, BJP has been wiped out when compared to last
> election. Only
> > > >> Chhatisgarh and Gujarat are the states where BJP has done
> better than
> > > >> previous times, in addition to Jharkhand of course.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thirdly, you are right. BJP should have expanded their base.
> But base
> > > could
> > > >> have been expanded by throwing away Hindutva (which
> ironically brings
> > to
> > > >> them supporters like you but alienates many), and trying to
> become a
> > > >> right-centrist party. People would have had no problems if
> BJP had no
> > > trust
> > > >> on Pakistan, wanted India to become a super-power, and had
> stated that
> > > they
> > > >> weren't embarassed on their Hindu roots.
> > > >>
> > > >> Instead, the BJP just seems hell bent on attacking
> minorities where
> > and
> > > >> when
> > > >> they can (Kandhamal and Karnataka being best examples) and
> then wants
> > > >> Muslims and Christians to vote for them! How do they expect
> a Muslim
> > > woman
> > > >> to vote for them when under their reign, she was raped in
> the name of
> > > 'Jai
> > > >> Shree Ram' by activists related to the larger parivar to
> which the BJP
> > > >> belongs?
> > > >>
> > > >> Similarly on the issue of appeasement. It is right that the
> Congress> and
> > > >> others have practiced Muslim appeasement. But does this mean
> Muslims> > should
> > > >> be punished? When Muslims haven't progressed, then it's the
> fault of
> > the
> > > >> Congress. How are they being then 'pampered'? Vote bank
> politics is
> > > >> actually
> > > >> to disadvantage of Muslims, and the BJP should have come to
> their> rescue
> > > by
> > > >> providing them development. Instead, the BJP gave them post-
> Godhra as
> > > gift.
> > > >>
> > > >> Fourth. Can Bipin jee inform me (or anybody else for that
> matter) as
> > to
> > > the
> > > >> proceedings under NDA which point to RTI? I would be glad to
> know.> > >>
> > > >> Fifth. Swathi jee, I think you raised two vital points. I
> agree with
> > you
> > > >> that it's not the Congress or the Left (do read this Bipin
> jee, this
> > is
> > > for
> > > >> you too) which brought either the NREGA or the RTI, it's the
> social> > >> movements which brought them. And I appreciate the
> courage they showed
> > > in
> > > >> their movement and the pressure they exerted, which was
> accepted by
> > the
> > > >> Left
> > > >> at very late stage, and finally this act was introduced. One
> must> never
> > > >> forget the kind of pressure exerted by the Times of India-
> Economic> > >> Times-Ambani-English mainstream media-their elitist
> friends combine,
> > to
> > > >> ensure the NREGA never got passed.
> > > >>
> > > >> But the larger point also remains that this govt did pass
> it. Would
> > the
> > > NDA
> > > >> have ever passed it? You know better than me what the answer
> to that
> > > would
> > > >> be. Therefore, we must accept their small contribution to
> getting this
> > > act
> > > >> passed and appreciate it, though the first credit to it lies
> with all
> > > those
> > > >> who fought tooth and nail in the first place to get the act
> passed.> > >>
> > > >> And Bipin jee, the NREGA was brought through a social
> movement. Better
> > > go
> > > >> and find about it rather than cribbing about policies you
> don't know a
> > > >> thing
> > > >> about. And as for your infrastructural development, the
> people of
> > India
> > > >> would want NREGA first rather than the Golden Quadrilateral.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> The second point Swathi jee has raised is about an elected PM.
> > > Personally,
> > > >> I
> > > >> would have liked Manmohan Singh jee to fight the election
> and win it.
> > > That
> > > >> would have silenced many people who always look upon him as the
> > 'stooge
> > > of
> > > >> Sonia'. However, unlike others, I wouldn't feel so bad about
> it. The
> > > larger
> > > >> issue is always the livelihood of people, and while Sonia
> may not have
> > > the
> > > >> responsibilities of the PM, she has the responsibilities of
> ensuring> her
> > > >> party wins elections. Therefore, even if the PM doesn't
> listen, she
> > has
> > > to
> > > >> listen to the voice of India, as she had to in the case of
> NREGA and
> > > RTI.
> > > >>
> > > >> Therefore, I don't worry much whether Manmohan is elected or
> not. I
> > > though
> > > >> have another reason as to why a PM should be elected.
> > > >>
> > > >> When a PM like say Vajpayee gets elected and then becomes
> PM, he knows
> > > the
> > > >> ways and means to win elections. And therefore he equally
> knows when
> > to
> > > >> start something, where to stop (why, where and when), where
> to set
> > > agendas
> > > >> and where to start working upon them. Manmohan I don't think
> has that
> > > >> political experience an elected PM have to manage his
> allies. This is
> > > clear
> > > >> from the way he reacted at different times to the nuclear
> deal. His
> > > >> reactions wouldn't have changed so much had he been an
> elected PM.
> > > Perhaps
> > > >> he could have handled the Left better in that case.
> > > >>
> > > >> But again this is only my speculation. It may be true, or it
> may be
> > > false.
> > > >>
> > > >> And democracy is not about elections. It is about giving
> rights to
> > > citizens
> > > >> and ensure that they are indeed actually provided those
> rights. So an
> > > >> elected PM or not is not a big issue.
> > > >>
> > > >> What is are the rights of people to secure their livelihood.
> > > >>
> > > >> If the BJP gains this huge lesson from this election, I
> would be the
> > > most
> > > >> happy person on this planet. And my frustration at this not
> happening> is
> > > >> what made me write in a nasty way, for which I am sorry. I
> would not
> > > repeat
> > > >> that again.
> > > >>
> > > >> And if the BJP doesn't learn it, then we need another party
> to come at
> > > >> centre to fight against Congress and displace BJP from its
> pole.> > >>
> > > >> And finally, the last word from one of my friends who also
> happens to
> > be
> > > a
> > > >> member of this list:
> > > >>
> > > >> The BJP lost because the revenues obtained through growth
> are spent
> > only
> > > to
> > > >> further growth. The Congress won because it spent partially the
> > revenues
> > > >> obtained through growth to bring up the poor to above-
> subsistence> level
> > > and
> > > >> contributed in some measure to equitable development in this
> manner.> > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards
> > > >>
> > > >> Rakesh
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> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:42:16 +0530
> From: bipin <aliens at dataone.in>
> Subject: [Reader-list] CONGRESSULATIONS
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> Congratulations to Congress. Well done Manmohansingh, Sonia, Rahul.
>
> Manmohanji, without electing as MP you made history to be PM again
> from back door. Perhaps voter like your generosity, honesty,
> simplicity (which is lacking in most of the politician) leads to
> the victory path. Now you have got golden chance to prove yourself
> as stronger PM which was shown by you in only case of nuclear
> agreement. Also its golden chance for you to keep Chidambaram and
> Pawar out of finance and agricultural ministry as they were totally
> failure in this front and allowed to increase prices of essential
> commodity for their selfish motto. It is little wonder also that
> voter, even poor voter has not considered this point while voting.
> It is good fortune and stars for congress. Good Luck.
>
> Congrats Soniaji and your team, backdoor strategists for this
> victory. However, it is lollipop and even you have not expected
> such huge win this time as well as in 2004 also. Both win proved
> very lucky for you and this time you are free to work on real
> development work without hindrance and pressure tactics from allies.
>
> Congrats Rahulji. Youth people has massly voted to your youth
> appeal. This is the real reason for congress win. Since it was
> direct comparison with 80 year old Advani. Keep it up. Grab this
> golden opportunity with some real developmental work to carry out
> instead of going to the vote bank politics.
>
> Consolation to Advani. You are very good person, good at heart but
> late in your mission. Your age was the biggest hindrance and did
> not get mass appeal against youth. BJP should rethink and encourage
> youth. Also people want BJP to do constructive opposition role,
> which was lacking many cases last time and this is one reason for
> you to voted out. This is punishment for you. So perform the
> constructive opposition role and you will be benefited definitely
> in the near future.
>
> Consolation to Communists. Its real time to retrospect communists
> themselves and think on the direction of real development and come
> out of their labor union politics, naxalites backing, US hatred (I
> am not saying US is right all the way, but what is their good we
> must adopt it), unnecessary minority appeasement.
>
> I salute voter, who shown great maturity by electing one of the
> national party for steady and healthy progress. Voters has
> experienced two coalition rule of NDA and UPA and noticed
> regional/left parties behavior and made up their mind this time to
> limit the regional parties. Congratulation to voter by diminishing
> regional party and stop them taking undue advantage by pressure
> tactics from politics and by that way saved the huge money which
> was wasted by horse trading.
>
> UP and Bihar voters shown real maturity this time and they cut down
> all criminal MPs were there in last tenure. They did not got
> permission to contest the election and all have came up with their
> wives to contest, but they all were defeated this time. This is the
> real difference what we need and I am sure UP and Bihar will be on
> the track of development in the very near future.
>
> thanks
> BIPIN
>
> N.B Could not trace congress mail address. If anyone can give
> please inform me.
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:57:34 +0530
> From: Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast
> To: reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
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> yes, Modi, the killer Modi, the next PM in waiting, knows quite well
> how to take care of people like me,
>
> he must have improved on how to burn people more and more with less
> and less fire.
> and i predict now, that people like Varun Gandhi and Modi have no
> future in politics, if they paly this hate card too often.
>
> yes, Trade Unions for millions of Indian and many more in the world
> are like temples for of the masses.
> these unions have given them bread and butter, and in absence of
> Trade Unionism
> one can only imagine how much the cannibalistic greed of a corporate
> loves to devour ....
>
> the other benefit of living with the concept of Trade Union is that
> you develop some sensitivity towards the oppressed masses, the weaker
> sections of our society, which otherwise was not possible.
>
> Singing Bahajans, and following Mullah ji's fundamentalist paths dont
> lead a common man to a firm destination.
>
> Religous Fanaticism has been rejected by people in this elections,
> The verdict is the endorsement of the the concept of Left, indirectly.
>
> how can the victorious congress negate that initiatives made by the
> Left in the first place.
>
> With one exception of MK Gandhi who in the congress party did not
> benefit from the convictions of the communists thought,.
>
> yes, still, the bad element in the congress is Right (religious ), and
> the good element is Left ( socialist/communist ), and the good
> elements dominates, right now,
>
> any doubts Mr. AR Kaul
>
> with love
> is
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > seems Inder Salim has been working in a navratan oil company and
> tired of
> > the left trade union :P How else would he have so much
> information about
> > Advaniji ?
> >
> > Don't worry Inder Sali, you will have your job; Modi is there
> still to take
> > care of you.
> >
> > Manali is a far dream still for you.
> >
> > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Inder Salim
> <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> better than gratuity, ADvani ji might promote Nano car of Tata Ji
> >>
> >> and some advertise NAVRATTAN OIL,
> >>
> >> i am sure he will outwit AmitabBachan on that
> >>
> >> and earn more bucks, to enjoy trout fish with red wine in
> Manali with
> >> VajPAYEE Ji
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Pawan Durani
> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >> > Great show by Congress .....
> >> >
> >> > However the best thing about this election was the worst
> performance of
> >> Left
> >> > in last 40 years.
> >> >
> >> > Advani Ji now needs a peaceful retirement and perhaps may be
> rewarded>> with
> >> > Gratuity and other benefits.....
> >> >
> >> > Pawan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Rakesh Iyer
> <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Dear all
> >> >>
> >> >> I had gone out, so apologies (if required) for the delay.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unlike Anupam jee, I don't have problems with people changing
> their>> views
> >> >> provided they stick to it. So I won't comment on that.
> >> >>
> >> >> What I will comment on are some interesting thoughts. First
> of all,
> >> India
> >> >> has a parliamentary system where people choose their
> representatives on
> >> the
> >> >> first by post principle, and there are a number of factors at
> play. What
> >> is
> >> >> certainly not a factor (neither in 2004 nor in 2009 as CSDS
> surveys done
> >> by
> >> >> Yogendra Yadav repeatedly indicate) is the issue of the Prime
> Minister.>> >>
> >> >> Forget Advani or Manmohan Singh or Rahul Gandhi or Narendra
> Modi. Even
> >> if
> >> >> Lord Krishna, Lord Ram, Prophet Muhammad or Jesus Christ were
> to stand
> >> for
> >> >> the post of Prime Minister, it would hardly make an effect,
> simply>> because
> >> >> people don't vote for personalities as PM. The major issues
> before>> people
> >> >> are concerned with their livelihood, be it 'roti, kapda and
> makan',>> water,
> >> >> health (this means a good hospital with working people and
> working>> >> equipments in the village or nearby places), good
> connection to cities
> >> >> through roads, education, and in this particular issue, two
> more issues
> >> >> were
> >> >> important: inflation and security.
> >> >>
> >> >> So actually, the BJP did have issues to fight with: inflation
> and>> >> terrorism.
> >> >> Except that BJP doesn't have a great record in them either.
> >> >>
> >> >> As far as inflation is concerned, I can only remind of the 1998
> >> elections
> >> >> in
> >> >> Delhi, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh, where BJP suffered a 440-
> KV shock
> >> on
> >> >> losing state elections. And as for terrorism, we all know how
> they>> fared.
> >> >> The Kandahar fiasco, the Parliament attack, the Godhra
> incident (I
> >> mention
> >> >> this here because the Gujarat BJP unit repeatedly mentioned
> this as an
> >> >> ISI-sponsored attack, so they can clarify on this. I mention
> it as an
> >> >> intelligence failure), the Akshardham temple attack, the
> Raghunath>> temple
> >> >> attack, the bomb blasts in Mulund and Ghatkopar, and so on.
> So before
> >> >> throwing stones at others, the BJP should look at its' own
> shallow>> record
> >> >> with respect to terror in the past.
> >> >>
> >> >> And on top of all this, then they have the foolishness in
> them to say
> >> that
> >> >> L.K. Advani is a strong leader. And to indicate this, they
> had posters
> >> >> showing Advani clenching his fists! Great! That way we could
> have put
> >> one
> >> >> of
> >> >> the wrestlers who had won a bronze medal for us in Olympics
> 2008 as the
> >> PM
> >> >> candidate! Nobody could have been stronger than that!
> >> >>
> >> >> Strength doesn't come by repeatedly saying that 'I am
> strong'. A person
> >> who
> >> >> is strong will never say that about himself; it's others who
> say that
> >> about
> >> >> him. Here we had Advani shooting off his own mouth about how
> strong he
> >> was.
> >> >> And people knew how to respond.
> >> >>
> >> >> Secondly, contrary to your statements Vedavati jee, the BJP
> hasn't done
> >> >> that
> >> >> well as expected. In MP, it was expected to win more than 20
> seats. And
> >> >> Congress was not certainly expecting 10 seats which it won
> there. As for
> >> >> Rajasthan, BJP has been wiped out when compared to last
> election. Only
> >> >> Chhatisgarh and Gujarat are the states where BJP has done
> better than
> >> >> previous times, in addition to Jharkhand of course.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thirdly, you are right. BJP should have expanded their base.
> But base
> >> could
> >> >> have been expanded by throwing away Hindutva (which
> ironically brings to
> >> >> them supporters like you but alienates many), and trying to
> become a
> >> >> right-centrist party. People would have had no problems if
> BJP had no
> >> trust
> >> >> on Pakistan, wanted India to become a super-power, and had
> stated that
> >> they
> >> >> weren't embarassed on their Hindu roots.
> >> >>
> >> >> Instead, the BJP just seems hell bent on attacking minorities
> where and
> >> >> when
> >> >> they can (Kandhamal and Karnataka being best examples) and
> then wants
> >> >> Muslims and Christians to vote for them! How do they expect a
> Muslim>> woman
> >> >> to vote for them when under their reign, she was raped in the
> name of
> >> 'Jai
> >> >> Shree Ram' by activists related to the larger parivar to
> which the BJP
> >> >> belongs?
> >> >>
> >> >> Similarly on the issue of appeasement. It is right that the
> Congress and
> >> >> others have practiced Muslim appeasement. But does this mean
> Muslims>> should
> >> >> be punished? When Muslims haven't progressed, then it's the
> fault of the
> >> >> Congress. How are they being then 'pampered'? Vote bank
> politics is
> >> >> actually
> >> >> to disadvantage of Muslims, and the BJP should have come to
> their rescue
> >> by
> >> >> providing them development. Instead, the BJP gave them post-
> Godhra as
> >> gift.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fourth. Can Bipin jee inform me (or anybody else for that
> matter) as to
> >> the
> >> >> proceedings under NDA which point to RTI? I would be glad to
> know.>> >>
> >> >> Fifth. Swathi jee, I think you raised two vital points. I
> agree with you
> >> >> that it's not the Congress or the Left (do read this Bipin
> jee, this is
> >> for
> >> >> you too) which brought either the NREGA or the RTI, it's the
> social>> >> movements which brought them. And I appreciate the
> courage they showed
> >> in
> >> >> their movement and the pressure they exerted, which was
> accepted by the
> >> >> Left
> >> >> at very late stage, and finally this act was introduced. One
> must never
> >> >> forget the kind of pressure exerted by the Times of India-
> Economic>> >> Times-Ambani-English mainstream media-their elitist
> friends combine, to
> >> >> ensure the NREGA never got passed.
> >> >>
> >> >> But the larger point also remains that this govt did pass it.
> Would the
> >> NDA
> >> >> have ever passed it? You know better than me what the answer
> to that
> >> would
> >> >> be. Therefore, we must accept their small contribution to
> getting this
> >> act
> >> >> passed and appreciate it, though the first credit to it lies
> with all
> >> those
> >> >> who fought tooth and nail in the first place to get the act
> passed.>> >>
> >> >> And Bipin jee, the NREGA was brought through a social
> movement. Better
> >> go
> >> >> and find about it rather than cribbing about policies you
> don't know a
> >> >> thing
> >> >> about. And as for your infrastructural development, the
> people of India
> >> >> would want NREGA first rather than the Golden Quadrilateral.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The second point Swathi jee has raised is about an elected PM.
> >> Personally,
> >> >> I
> >> >> would have liked Manmohan Singh jee to fight the election and
> win it.
> >> That
> >> >> would have silenced many people who always look upon him as
> the 'stooge
> >> of
> >> >> Sonia'. However, unlike others, I wouldn't feel so bad about
> it. The
> >> larger
> >> >> issue is always the livelihood of people, and while Sonia may
> not have
> >> the
> >> >> responsibilities of the PM, she has the responsibilities of
> ensuring her
> >> >> party wins elections. Therefore, even if the PM doesn't
> listen, she has
> >> to
> >> >> listen to the voice of India, as she had to in the case of
> NREGA and
> >> RTI.
> >> >>
> >> >> Therefore, I don't worry much whether Manmohan is elected or
> not. I
> >> though
> >> >> have another reason as to why a PM should be elected.
> >> >>
> >> >> When a PM like say Vajpayee gets elected and then becomes PM,
> he knows
> >> the
> >> >> ways and means to win elections. And therefore he equally
> knows when to
> >> >> start something, where to stop (why, where and when), where
> to set
> >> agendas
> >> >> and where to start working upon them. Manmohan I don't think
> has that
> >> >> political experience an elected PM have to manage his allies.
> This is
> >> clear
> >> >> from the way he reacted at different times to the nuclear
> deal. His
> >> >> reactions wouldn't have changed so much had he been an
> elected PM.
> >> Perhaps
> >> >> he could have handled the Left better in that case.
> >> >>
> >> >> But again this is only my speculation. It may be true, or it
> may be
> >> false.
> >> >>
> >> >> And democracy is not about elections. It is about giving
> rights to
> >> citizens
> >> >> and ensure that they are indeed actually provided those
> rights. So an
> >> >> elected PM or not is not a big issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> What is are the rights of people to secure their livelihood.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the BJP gains this huge lesson from this election, I would
> be the
> >> most
> >> >> happy person on this planet. And my frustration at this not
> happening is
> >> >> what made me write in a nasty way, for which I am sorry. I
> would not
> >> repeat
> >> >> that again.
> >> >>
> >> >> And if the BJP doesn't learn it, then we need another party
> to come at
> >> >> centre to fight against Congress and displace BJP from its pole.
> >> >>
> >> >> And finally, the last word from one of my friends who also
> happens to be
> >> a
> >> >> member of this list:
> >> >>
> >> >> The BJP lost because the revenues obtained through growth are
> spent only
> >> to
> >> >> further growth. The Congress won because it spent partially
> the revenues
> >> >> obtained through growth to bring up the poor to above-
> subsistence level
> >> and
> >> >> contributed in some measure to equitable development in this
> manner.>> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Rakesh
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