[Reader-list] Fwd: "Muslims must quit UK armed forces"

[Kshmendra Kaul]

Dear Anupam Sir!
 
How is the presence of USA in the Indian Ocean pertinent to what we were talking about? 
 
Rhetorical question maybe. Perhaps you have picked on the reference to keeping an "eye".
 
If so you are mixing up two dissimilar entities. USA is a country. Islam is not a country.
 
The presence of USA in Indian Ocean is in International Waters. Not different from the globe circumventing "eyes in the sky". 
 
Any country is at liberty to have their presence there. I do not know of any instance in the recent past where one country has told others that they alone have the right to be present in International Waters or in the realm of Space beyond the Air Space of individual countries. 
 
USA also has bases in the India Ocean (and other oceans). Those are by mutual agreement between countries. Again, any country is at liberty to enter into such agreements.
 
I am not here trying to justify the presence of USA in the Indian Ocean or in elsewhere oceans or in Afghanistan or Iraq. 
 
My point is that arrangements exist between countries on a mutual basis or by International pacts. Arrangements do not exist between a country (or countries) and Islam or for that matter with any other religion.
 
Here perhaps lies a clue to the suspicions earlier spoken about. 
 
If Islam is projected as being a State of it's own, a monolithic entity, that has the right to transgress boundaries boundaries between countries, then it will be treated with suspicion as a Non-State actor. It appertains unto itself rights by self-volition and not by mutual consent.
 
This leads to a logical question, which I already addressed in a earlier mail to Yasir. I wrote: 

"""""" There is not much difference is there between USA interfering in other
countries in the name of "USA's Ideal" and Muslims interfering in any country they choose to in the name of an "Islamic Ideal"? """""""
Interference in affairs of a country, by word or action by Non-State actors in the name of the Non-State entity of Islam (or any other religion) becomes problematic.
 
Hope I made some sense.
 
Kshmendra 


--- On Tue, 11/17/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:


From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: "Muslims must quit UK armed forces"
To: "Rakesh Iyer" <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
Cc: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>, "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 5:14 PM


Dear Kshmendra,

"Islam can keep keep all the 'eye' that it wants to on political
issues but it should do so in Islamic Countries. When your loud
pronouncements try to propagate/export that aspect of Islamicness to
the Muslim citizens of a Non-Islamic country then you are creating
problems for those Muslims."

Sir if u could explain the presence of American troops in Indian
Ocean. What do they want here? Geo-politically strategic mumbo jumbo
is helpful to please a certain category of intellectuals. But please
spare this lay person from buying this argument here.

Thanks Anupam