[Reader-list] Your views on the book "Satya Darshini" by christian missionaries

[Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi]

Anupam,      have you overlooked the killing of Sister Abhaya in a seminary
by two "fathers" and a "mother"  just because she saw them in coitus.? Or
that a chief justice of of high court of karnataka tried his best to derail
the process of investigation, tried to save these accused holy men and women
of god.? Or to that matter, this judge is now sitting in supreme court of
India, and next to go to supreme court is the present judge of karnataka for
favourable judgements of saving graces.?All of these belong to one faith,
one region.!

Karnataka had unique judges who spent time in a resort with three lady
lawyers and were detained by police, later whole issue was hushed up, judges
used contempt stick to beat truthful media.!

Regards,

Rajen.

 By the way, the chief justice has created a record of sorts, by delivering
66 judgements in 50 minutes on the last day of his work, before going to
Delhi from karnataka.!

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:26 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am glad you are pointing this out..sex as a tool for conversion. infact
> Asaram Bapu cult, Ashok Jadeja are stalwarts.
>
> Will keep updating your list Murali, stay assured.
> -anupam
>
>
> On 8/31/09, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > As regards conversions, I can give a whole list of documentation where
> > seduction is the main method.
> >
> > Regards,
> > V Murali
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Rakesh Iyer<rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Murali
> > >
> > > I may counter this point, to a certain extent. The idea of monotheism
> in
> > God
> > > was basically an articulation of the elitist position, which the
> priests
> > and
> > > those considered 'respectful' as per religious tradition, being elders.
> > What
> > > the people followed in their lives may not be necessarily the same as
> > that
> > > which was observed by the elites.
> > >
> > > Secondly, it was under the British rule that Sanskrit and religious
> texts
> > > were studied back for research into Indian philosophy (this was done
> even
> > > under Mughal rule but the Mughals didn't distinguish themselves
> > necessarily
> > > from the natives of the land), it was then that certain reformers like
> > Ram
> > > Mohan Roy, Vidyasagar, Vivekananda and others realized the need to
> reform
> > > their religion, for being western-educated and seeing what they thought
> > were
> > > 'ills' in the society, they couldn't bear to see the real instances of
> > sati
> > > and other kinds of discrimination, as well as polytheism.
> > >
> > > In order to give a 'modernist' look in the religion, they decided to
> > adapt
> > > the theme of monotheism. While Roy advocated that people should only
> > worship
> > > one God, Vivekananda said what you have put as the main point in your
> > mail.
> > > However, as I have said, Vivekananda and Roy are not the only Hindus.
> > Each
> > > person has got the right to interpret and decide for himself/herself
> what
> > it
> > > means to be a Hindu, and the same freedom does and should exist for
> what
> > it
> > > means to be a Christian or a Muslim. Unnecessary constraints being
> > invented
> > > or developed by society is not the right path to define these
> identities.
> > >
> > > I think we have also diverted significantly in measure from the subject
> > > under which I am writing this mail. The topic basically deals with
> > regarding
> > > whether such texts should be published at all, and why aren't they
> being
> > > criticized.
> > >
> > > The texts shouldn't be banned, so also Varun Gandhi's and Modi's
> speeches
> > > (vitriolic as they have been in different contexts). Each person has
> got
> > the
> > > right to express his/her view, and even as a citizen of the Indian
> state,
> > > it's no obligation on a citizen who is a non-Muslim, to trust a Muslim.
> > That
> > > is an individual freedom and therefore, views expressed in accordance
> > with
> > > that are fine.
> > >
> > > The larger problem of conversions has two other aspects to look at.
> First
> > is
> > > how come these conversions are taking place, and secondly, as to why
> > these
> > > conversions are taking place. If somebody wants, please take up
> research
> > on
> > > it. But don't just blame missionaries for conversion, for if I don't
> wish
> > to
> > > convert, how come a Christian missionary or a Muslim mulla can convert
> me
> > > against my own will?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Rakesh
> > >
> >
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-- 
Rajen.