[Reader-list] (off topic) Re: 'Krishna existed. The school texts arewrong':says nuclear scientist

[Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi]

Dear all,
 great men and women never hesitate to clean the public toilets, scavengers
are need of a society, some have thoughts which have effect of the same,
thoughts which are so and words of hate, if not to be cleaned, deserve to be
ignored.sidestepped, if not the list will be full of only hate, nothing
else.

Regards,

Rajen.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Taraprakash,
>
> I really sad to hear about your state of mind. let me clear again, I am
> arguing for the genuius of the authors who composed Mahabharata. the mail
> did not speak of any insecurity but the very thing about education system
> and what is being taught to kids points out that at least one set of people
> are not comfortable with what is being taught. one can very easily infer
> since history writers could not locate krishna as historical figure, there
> is this sustained effort from the side of this coterie to prove that things
> like ram setu or krishna existed. independently, the research is
> interesting. but this select group of people (namely a set of insecure
> Hindus) would use this research for racial superiority and other things
> that
> comes along with the right wing political. no wonder you can so easily
> i nurse hatred against the hindus although i have repeatedly appreciated
> the
> authors of mahabharata and their sense of astrology.
>
> and frankly, you are no different from a bully: "And there is so much of
> shit flowing around, it is not fair to blame you alone." first you clean
> your shit then you come and say that mr taraprakash.
>
> -anupam
>
>
> On 9/1/09, taraprakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't mind your hatred against such people as you described. But this
> > person was neither talking about Hinduism specificly nor he was
> suggesting
> > any insecurity. He, in fact, said something to the effect about religion
> > (not Hinduism) being tool for world peace. In one of your previous mails
> > when you reacted as if you were stung by million bees, the reason was
> just
> > use of the word Hindu. The mail did no speak of any insecurity etc. The
> > irony that the writer was pointing towards, like it would happen to any
> > street bully, went over your head.
> >
> > And yes, you are right. I don't read most of your mails, I don't read
> most
> > of the list mails in fact. There is not just 1 bully on this list. A lot
> of
> > mails on this list, some written by you as well, stink of shit. And there
> is
> > so much of shit flowing around, it is not fair to blame you alone. But
> you
> > seem to have pretensions of sophistication, so I smell some of it from
> you.
> > But no more. If you can't see the contradiction in your mails written on
> > this thread, I pity your intelligence.
> >
> > Sorry list, there wasn't much for anyone in this mail but since Anupam is
> > anyway going to make it public by putting this on his blog, I did not
> send
> > him this mail privately, which I should have done. Apologies again.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "anupam chakravartty" <
> > c.anupam at gmail.com>
> > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 'Krishna existed. The school texts
> > arewrong':says nuclear scientist
> >
> >
> > Dear Taraprakash,
> >>
> >> You may be partially right about my hatred towards all such Hindus who
> are
> >> desperate to prove their insecurities by finding something with
> reasoning
> >> (just to be in that same league of solomon's treasure hunters) which the
> >> scriptures itself have said that only prajna or moving beyond reasoning
> >> towards a purer belief (untouched by their insecurities) can lead to
> >> knowledge about the God.
> >>
> >> Looks like you dont read my mails. I have never said such research is
> not
> >> welcome. I would be happy if someone proves that there was Krishna, and
> >> fairies, and Yeti, and That there were UFOs who actually helped
> Egyptians
> >> to
> >> build pyramids. however, some how rationality, reasoning and research
> >> would
> >> keep showing otherwise.
> >>
> >> Thank you for calling me a bully. I cant stop smiling at this comment.
> It
> >> goes on my blog :)
> >>
> >> "Aren't you being a bully by showing your desire to prove that you are a
> >> "street fighter" (a claim made by you or someone who knew you on the
> >> list),
> >> who wouldn't like to give a reasonable chance for negotiation about his
> >> position?"
> >>
> >> -Anupam
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/1/09, taraprakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hello all and Anupam. Your hatred towards anything to do with Hindus is
> >>> clear, but not understandable. Whether Krishna's existence was a fact,
> as
> >>> this scientist suggests with a reasoning, or whether it was myth, as
> you
> >>> are
> >>> claiming without actually substantiating your claim, can be proved with
> >>> research. It may not be decissive but if someone wants to do a research
> >>> on
> >>> it, what's wrong in it? Aren't you being a bully by showing your desire
> >>> to
> >>> prove that you are a "street fighter" (a claim made by you or someone
> who
> >>> knew you on the list),  who wouldn't like to give a reasonable chance
> for
> >>> negotiation about his position?
> >>>
> >>> Finally if we all were to become wary of things that would offer
> >>> skeletons
> >>> from the closet, would there be any investigation in to massacres,
> there
> >>> would actually be no teaching of history.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "anupam chakravartty" <
> >>> c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:02 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 'Krishna existed. The school texts are
> >>> wrong':says nuclear scientist
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am wary of anthropological investigations because they always render
> >>>
> >>>> skeletons from the closet. Here the scientists are just touching the
> tip
> >>>> of
> >>>> the iceberg in form astrological positions. My expertise in astrology
> is
> >>>> as
> >>>> juvenile as the claim that a character called Krishna existed because
> >>>> there
> >>>> was a real planetary position. It certainly is a matter of immense
> >>>> importance to have more interesting data about the authors of these
> >>>> texts
> >>>> namely Mahabharata and Ramayana. In the sense, a certain way of
> locating
> >>>> fictitious event and to make it seem real, locate the event with real
> >>>> star
> >>>> positions. If the aryan feudal battles were recorded with the star
> >>>> positions, that also is important contribution to the history writing.
> >>>> Would
> >>>> be interested to know more about this project rather than basing my
> >>>> opinion
> >>>> on a news report. This would be an important revelation and I look
> >>>> forward
> >>>> to it.
> >>>>
> >>>> After reading this news report, it take me back to a phase when I was
> >>>> fascinated with Erick Von Daniken's Chariots of the Gods, and then
> >>>> ... suddenly someone told me about a bunch of people committing
> >>>> suicide thinking about of the some kind of superior race of aliens
> >>>> hovering above this planet waiting to take them to heaven.
> >>>>
> >>>> -anupam
> >>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Kshamendra
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no issues with people having interest in all such activities,
> as
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> include myself in some of these. But I believe there are larger
> issues
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> solved for the people across the world, so we need not spend public
> >>>>> funds
> >>>>> on
> >>>>> such things. What we can ask is for the corporates to fund these
> >>>>> things,
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> this requires painstaking research and money, which is already in a
> >>>>> crunch,
> >>>>> and only once public requirements are fulfilled, we can think of
> other
> >>>>> such
> >>>>> issues.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rakesh
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-- 
Rajen.