[Reader-list] "If India refuses talks, it would have consequences"

Sat Sep 19 16:35:41 IST 2009

there are two possibilities here Rahul:

1. You dont know what you are talking about.
2. I dont know what i am talking about.

Second option being rather close to me, I would say, by citing the
threat perception of the Israelis through a news report about possible
strikes by terrorists in India, the assumption that there might be
attacks was already established even before i started commenting on
it. To add to that, i had questioned whether the idea of issuing
warnings to its own civilians while visiting is a contradiction as
Israel has proposed investments in India. You have very clearly said
that you saw no connection between the two. I differed on that aspect
citing a hypothetical example to which you did not reply but instead
you said: "You are making two assumptions:
1. There is going to be a series of attacks.
2.It is going to affect business significantly."

The first assumption was already in place. I only asked if Israelis
are gambling big time by investing in India for which it has issued
according to the BBC report:

"The Israeli statement said the planned attacks could target other
Lubavitch centres in India.The warning was based on "a concrete, very
serious threat", it said."

Therefore, I have NOT assumed anything. I have just questioned these warnings.

Thanks for patiently reading the mail,

Anupam

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
> "That assumption has already being established
> when the report was cited on the mailing list."
> what assumption are you talking about?
>
> --- On Sat, 9/19/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "If India refuses talks, it would have  consequences"
>> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 1:56 PM
>> Dear Rahul,
>>
>> The idea was to question the report based on Israeli
>> intelligence
>> issuing these warnings. That assumption has already being
>> established
>> when the report was cited on the mailing list.
>>
>> -regards
>> anupam
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > You are making two assumptions:
>> > 1. There is going to be a series of attacks.
>> > 2.It is going to affect business significantly.
>> >
>> > I think it is a stretch to extrapolate the information
>> we have at this time to make those assumptions. You may
>> disagree.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Rahul
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "If India refuses
>> talks, it would have  consequences"
>> > > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > > Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 8:31 PM
>> > > I was expecting this question Rahul.
>> > > Let me rephrase it with a hypothesis:
>> > > Say you have a lot of money, and you want to
>> invest in a
>> > > piece of land. but
>> > > you learn that you are investing money in a
>> property, which
>> > > is always
>> > > visited by a bunch of dacoits. would you like to
>> still go
>> > > ahead with
>> > > investment? i am sure you would not unless you
>> have a large
>> > > army of security
>> > > personnel who can thwart the attempts of the
>> so-called
>> > > dacoits. which is why
>> > > the next part of my question is whether Israel is
>> risking
>> > > big time vis-a-vis
>> > > the success or the failure to contain such
>> threats. i am
>> > > just posing a
>> > > question here
>> > >
>> > > -regards anupam
>> > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Rahul Asthana
>> <rahul_capri at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > "If Israel is
>> > > > investing such huge amounts in various
>> sectors
>> > > including dairy, how is it
>> > > > possible that they are issuing warnings to
>> its own
>> > > people to be careful
>> > > > while visiting India?"
>> > > > I do not understand your question.What is
>> the
>> > > connection?
>> > > >
>> > > > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, anupam chakravartty
>> <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "If India
>> refuses
>> > > talks, it would have
>> > > >  consequences"
>> > > > > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > > > > Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 8:13
>> PM
>> > > > > Dear Rahul,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It felt like one of those pre war
>> warnings after
>> > > reading
>> > > > > the BBC piece after
>> > > > > which one feels like why do I belong to
>> any of
>> > > these
>> > > > > nations. Perhaps the
>> > > > > report doesnt take into consideration:
>> "Doing
>> > > business for
>> > > > > Israel and India
>> > > > > (I to I) is easy because there is
>> enormous
>> > > goodwill for
>> > > > > India in the
>> > > > > country, not least because India has no
>> history
>> > > of
>> > > > > anti-Semitism—one reason
>> > > > > why tens of thousands of Israelis come
>> holidaying
>> > > to India
>> > > > > every year." T.I.
>> > > > > Ninan which appeared recently in
>> Business
>> > > Standard. ( I am
>> > > > > trying my best to
>> > > > > not react to the anti-semitism
>> comment)
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/t-n-ninan-an-i-for-an-i/369851/
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Although the article explores the
>> avenues of
>> > > better
>> > > > > Indo-Israel ties, my
>> > > > > question pertain to the BBC report and
>> the
>> > > warnings of
>> > > > > Israel. If Israel is
>> > > > > investing such huge amounts in various
>> sectors
>> > > including
>> > > > > dairy, how is it
>> > > > > possible that they are issuing warnings
>> to its
>> > > own people
>> > > > > to be careful
>> > > > > while visiting India?  Or is it some
>> kind of
>> > > gamble
>> > > > > vis-a-vis the security
>> > > > > establishment's success or failure to
>> curb the
>> > > so-called
>> > > > > Islamic
>> > > > > fundamentalism?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -regard Anupam
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Rahul
>> Asthana
>> > > <rahul_capri at yahoo.com
>> > > > >wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > A  warning by Isarel
>> > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8262110.stm
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The foreign minister of Pakistan
>> seems to
>> > > > > corroborate.
>> > > > > > "If India refuses talks, it would
>> have
>> > > consequences"
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C09%5C18%5Cstory_18-9-2009_pg7_1
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
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