[Reader-list] "If India refuses talks, it would have consequences"

Rahul Asthana rahul_capri at yahoo.com
Sat Sep 19 18:04:44 IST 2009 

Anupam,
1.I agree,the first assumption was already in place.Since there were two,I didn't know which one you were talking about.How do you tie it with the second one:as in,there will be significant impact on business.Perhaps there is some historical data available on how the Bombay blasts earlier have affected business.
In fact, as far as I can remember, businesses have bounced back to normal in a few days.
As I said earlier I do not see a connection between terrorist attacks and long term profitability of a business but I am willing to be educated on this.
2.How do you read the Pakistan Foreign minister's statement as in "There will be consequences"? What consequences do you think he is talking about?

Thanks
Rahul

--- On Sat, 9/19/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "If India refuses talks, it would have  consequences"
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 4:35 PM
> there are two possibilities here
> Rahul:
> 
> 1. You dont know what you are talking about.
> 2. I dont know what i am talking about.
> 
> Second option being rather close to me, I would say, by
> citing the
> threat perception of the Israelis through a news report
> about possible
> strikes by terrorists in India, the assumption that there
> might be
> attacks was already established even before i started
> commenting on
> it. To add to that, i had questioned whether the idea of
> issuing
> warnings to its own civilians while visiting is a
> contradiction as
> Israel has proposed investments in India. You have very
> clearly said
> that you saw no connection between the two. I differed on
> that aspect
> citing a hypothetical example to which you did not reply
> but instead
> you said: "You are making two assumptions:
> 1. There is going to be a series of attacks.
> 2.It is going to affect business significantly."
> 
> The first assumption was already in place. I only asked if
> Israelis
> are gambling big time by investing in India for which it
> has issued
> according to the BBC report:
> 
> "The Israeli statement said the planned attacks could
> target other
> Lubavitch centres in India.The warning was based on "a
> concrete, very
> serious threat", it said."
> 
> Therefore, I have NOT assumed anything. I have just
> questioned these warnings.
> 
> Thanks for patiently reading the mail,
> 
> Anupam
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > "That assumption has already being established
> > when the report was cited on the mailing list."
> > what assumption are you talking about?
> >
> > --- On Sat, 9/19/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "If India refuses
> talks, it would have  consequences"
> >> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 1:56 PM
> >> Dear Rahul,
> >>
> >> The idea was to question the report based on
> Israeli
> >> intelligence
> >> issuing these warnings. That assumption has
> already being
> >> established
> >> when the report was cited on the mailing list.
> >>
> >> -regards
> >> anupam
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Rahul Asthana
> <rahul_capri at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > You are making two assumptions:
> >> > 1. There is going to be a series of attacks.
> >> > 2.It is going to affect business
> significantly.
> >> >
> >> > I think it is a stretch to extrapolate the
> information
> >> we have at this time to make those assumptions.
> You may
> >> disagree.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Rahul
> >> >
> >> > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, anupam chakravartty
> <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "If India
> refuses
> >> talks, it would have  consequences"
> >> > > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> > > Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 8:31
> PM
> >> > > I was expecting this question Rahul.
> >> > > Let me rephrase it with a hypothesis:
> >> > > Say you have a lot of money, and you
> want to
> >> invest in a
> >> > > piece of land. but
> >> > > you learn that you are investing money
> in a
> >> property, which
> >> > > is always
> >> > > visited by a bunch of dacoits. would you
> like to
> >> still go
> >> > > ahead with
> >> > > investment? i am sure you would not
> unless you
> >> have a large
> >> > > army of security
> >> > > personnel who can thwart the attempts of
> the
> >> so-called
> >> > > dacoits. which is why
> >> > > the next part of my question is whether
> Israel is
> >> risking
> >> > > big time vis-a-vis
> >> > > the success or the failure to contain
> such
> >> threats. i am
> >> > > just posing a
> >> > > question here
> >> > >
> >> > > -regards anupam
> >> > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Rahul
> Asthana
> >> <rahul_capri at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > "If Israel is
> >> > > > investing such huge amounts in
> various
> >> sectors
> >> > > including dairy, how is it
> >> > > > possible that they are issuing
> warnings to
> >> its own
> >> > > people to be careful
> >> > > > while visiting India?"
> >> > > > I do not understand your
> question.What is
> >> the
> >> > > connection?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, anupam
> chakravartty
> >> <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > From: anupam chakravartty
> <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "If
> India
> >> refuses
> >> > > talks, it would have
> >> > > >  consequences"
> >> > > > > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> > > > > Date: Friday, September 18,
> 2009, 8:13
> >> PM
> >> > > > > Dear Rahul,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > It felt like one of those pre
> war
> >> warnings after
> >> > > reading
> >> > > > > the BBC piece after
> >> > > > > which one feels like why do I
> belong to
> >> any of
> >> > > these
> >> > > > > nations. Perhaps the
> >> > > > > report doesnt take into
> consideration:
> >> "Doing
> >> > > business for
> >> > > > > Israel and India
> >> > > > > (I to I) is easy because there
> is
> >> enormous
> >> > > goodwill for
> >> > > > > India in the
> >> > > > > country, not least because
> India has no
> >> history
> >> > > of
> >> > > > > anti-Semitism—one reason
> >> > > > > why tens of thousands of
> Israelis come
> >> holidaying
> >> > > to India
> >> > > > > every year." T.I.
> >> > > > > Ninan which appeared recently
> in
> >> Business
> >> > > Standard. ( I am
> >> > > > > trying my best to
> >> > > > > not react to the
> anti-semitism
> >> comment)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/t-n-ninan-an-i-for-an-i/369851/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Although the article explores
> the
> >> avenues of
> >> > > better
> >> > > > > Indo-Israel ties, my
> >> > > > > question pertain to the BBC
> report and
> >> the
> >> > > warnings of
> >> > > > > Israel. If Israel is
> >> > > > > investing such huge amounts in
> various
> >> sectors
> >> > > including
> >> > > > > dairy, how is it
> >> > > > > possible that they are issuing
> warnings
> >> to its
> >> > > own people
> >> > > > > to be careful
> >> > > > > while visiting India?  Or is
> it some
> >> kind of
> >> > > gamble
> >> > > > > vis-a-vis the security
> >> > > > > establishment's success or
> failure to
> >> curb the
> >> > > so-called
> >> > > > > Islamic
> >> > > > > fundamentalism?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -regard Anupam
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:42
> PM, Rahul
> >> Asthana
> >> > > <rahul_capri at yahoo.com
> >> > > > >wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > A  warning by Isarel
> >> > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8262110.stm
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The foreign minister of
> Pakistan
> >> seems to
> >> > > > > corroborate.
> >> > > > > > "If India refuses talks,
> it would
> >> have
> >> > > consequences"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C09%5C18%5Cstory_18-9-2009_pg7_1
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
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