[Reader-list] "A Hindu army officer and an Indian patriot..."

[A.K. Malik]

Dear Mr Durani,
                It is not unusual to have discussions at Senior levels in bilateral talks and arrive at some amicable decision and take requisite steps to get the decision implemented either thr' Govt decision or thr' an Act of Parliament.If some action is taken contrary to the law of the land,anyone can have recourse thr' courts of law in the country. However until something is contemplated you can't get the relief.
With kind regards,

(A.K.MALIK)


--- On Sat, 4/24/10, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "A Hindu army officer and an Indian patriot..."
> To: "anupam chakravartty" <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 4:59 PM
> No one in India , not even the Prime
> Minister of India , has an
> authority to make a decision on Kashmir which may be
> contrary to the
> resolution passed in Indian parliament.
> 
> This should be kept in mind , leaving apart what
> politicians do for
> public consumption.
> 
> Pawan
> 
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:42 AM, anupam chakravartty
> <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmir-pact-was-just-a-signature-away/articleshow/5850851.cms
> >
> > Excerpts:
> >
> > "He (Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri, who was Pervez
> Musharraf’s foreign minister
> > from 2002 to 2007) said the two sides had agreed to
> full demilitarisation of
> > both Jammu & Kashmir as well as Pakistan-occupied
> Kashmir, which Islamabad
> > refers to as Azad Kashmir. In addition, a package of
> loose autonomy that
> > stopped short of the ‘azadi’ and self-governance
> aspirations, had been
> > agreed on and was to be introduced on both sides of
> the disputed frontier.
> > "We agreed on a point between complete independence
> and autonomy," he said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Lalit Ambardar
> > <lalitambardar at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> A poorly attempted juxtaposition of random
> thoughts with a mischievous
> >> intent to justify the equally malicious title.
> >>
> >> It is no revelation that foreign jihadists are
> fighting along with the
> >> local proponents of Azadi- bara – e-Islam
> (freedom through Islam) in
> >> Kashmir.
> >>
> >> ………‘If violence has declined at present,
> this is not because India is
> >>  doing the right thing. The militants turned
> their attention to Kashmir
> >>  in 1989, when the Russians withdrew from
> Afghanistan. Today, the
> >>  militants have more urgent priorities, again in
> Afghanistan and the
> >>  Pakistan border. Because the Indian state failed
> to grant autonomy to
> >>  Kashmir,……
> >>  …..now the pressure has lessened on Kashmir by
> the removal of militants
> >>  to other parts of Asia……..
> >>
> >> Ayaz Amir also admitted though for different
> reason (to justify strong
> >> action by Pakistani army against the pan Islamists
> in Af-Pak region) in his
> >> article ‘A Make-or- break Moment’ Khalij
> Times/Oct 23, 2009-
> >>
> >> …….. The stakes being so high, there is no
> choice but to win, and win
> >> decisively. Of course it is not going to be easy.
> South Waziristan’s
> >> fighters, including the foreign elements, are
> amongst the most
> >> battle-hardened on the planet. They have been
> fighting for decades—in
> >> Afghanistan, disputed Kashmir, now FATA…..
> >> ……….3-5,000 Hezbollah fighters defeated the
> Israeli army in Lebanon in
> >> 2006. At the height of the Kashmir uprising
> (starting from 1989) there could
> >> not have been more than 5-10,000 guerrilla
> fighters in the Valley. But they
> >> tied down close to half a million Indian troops,
> the bulk of which remain in
> >> Kashmir……
> >> (full article at Click here to read the article )
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards all
> >> LA
> >>
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:52:55 +0530
> >> > From: waliarifi3 at gmail.com
> >> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >> > Subject: [Reader-list] "A Hindu army officer
> and an Indian patriot..."
> >> >
> >> > http://www.newint.org/features/special/2010/04/01/kashmir-conflict/
> >> >
> >> > A soldier’s story
> >> >
> >> > In the crossfire of daily violence between
> militants and state forces,
> >> > the picturesque northern Indian state of
> Kashmir has known no peace
> >> > for decades. In this revealing first-person
> account, Gopal Mitra, a
> >> > former Indian army Major, offers hard-won
> insights into how the
> >> > violence could be ended. He spoke to Jeremy
> Seabrook.
> >> >
> >> > ----------------
> >> >
> >> > Major Gopal Mitra had realized that India’s
> militarization of Kashmir
> >> > was no long-term solution before he was blown
> up in Kupwara in 2000.
> >> > An informer had guided his unit to a
> booby-trapped militant hide-out.
> >> > During the ensuing gun-battle, 17 kilos of
> RDX explosive went up.
> >> > Airlifted to hospital in Srinagar, Gopal
> needed 150 stitches to his
> >> > face and body. He lost his eyes and had to
> undergo facial
> >> > reconstruction.
> >> >
> >> > In and out of hospital for two years, he had
> time to reflect, both on
> >> > his injuries and what he was doing in
> Kashmir. Now in his late
> >> > thirties, he is without rancour or
> bitterness. He works for an
> >> > international disability charity, and says
> the loss of his eyes has
> >> > been compensated by the insights gained.
> >> >
> >> > ‘As a soldier, you have to believe that
> terrorism is bad for your
> >> > country. But when you see it close up, you
> realize there is a reason
> >> > for resistance – usually a result of some
> earlier failing by the
> >> > State. When violence starts – in the North
> East or in Kashmir – it
> >> > begins as a way of redressing grievances. But
> over time, the just
> >> > objective is overtaken, and conflict soon
> generates its own reasons
> >> > for continuing. When public opinion is met by
> oppression, there is
> >> > bound to be violence. In Kashmir, when the
> State installs puppet
> >> > governments with no mandate to act on behalf
> of the people, how can
> >> > they accept it?
> >> >
> >> > ‘Kashmir is seen as a bilateral issue
> between India and Pakistan, a
> >> > cause for international concern. This
> doesn’t address the issue of how
> >> > conflict is sustained on the ground. The
> whole society is drawn into
> >> > prolonging war. The search for justice is
> overwhelmed by other
> >> > priorities, including the self-interest of
> those who gain some
> >> > advantage from it. There are four parties to
> the conflict – militants,
> >> > civil administration, army and local
> population. All operate and live
> >> > in the area. The best houses in any village,
> although far beyond their
> >> > legitimate means, are always occupied by
> Government officials. Social
> >> > structures, accountability, civil
> administration have all broken down.
> >> > Transparency International says that after
> Bihar, Kashmir is the most
> >> > corrupt state in India. It receives huge
> funds from central
> >> > government.
> >> >
> >> > ‘The whole economy is distorted because
> basic social norms have
> >> > collapsed. Most stolen cars in India are
> traded in Kashmir.
> >> >
> >> > ‘Many militants believe passionately in
> their cause and take up arms.
> >> > This also creates commercial pressures:
> arms-suppliers who have an
> >> > interest in continuing conflict. After the
> snowmelt in April-May till
> >> > November, militants cross the passes. They
> get high rates and bonuses
> >> > for killing members of the security forces.
> The security forces have
> >> > all the militants’ radio-intercepts: it is
> known they inflate the
> >> > numbers killed when reporting to their
> bosses, because this increases
> >> > their bonuses.
> >> >
> >> > ‘There is no adequate rehabilitation
> package for militants. There is
> >> > no thought-out strategy to absorb them back
> into society.
> >> >
> >> > ‘It is in the nature of prolonged armed
> operations to alienate people,
> >> > no matter how disciplined the army. You
> search houses, knock on doors
> >> > in the middle of the night; people are under
> siege. Some find serving
> >> > as informers to the army a viable way of
> making a living. This is how
> >> > the neutrality of civilians is compromised,
> both by the army and the
> >> > militants. It polarizes people. The army has
> an incentive to
> >> > perpetuate the crisis, because this
> vindicates its reason for
> >> > existence and ensures resources are allocated
> to the area.
> >> >
> >> > ‘I love my country, but that doesn’t mean
> I don’t think it can become
> >> > a better place’
> >> >
> >> > ‘The initial objectives take second place
> to conflict for its own
> >> > sake. The idea that an Indo-Pak solution is
> the only answer places it
> >> > in a different sphere from the violence on
> the ground. Simple
> >> > one-dimensional solutions don’t work.
> Societies, easy to divide, are
> >> > harder to re-unite. In Kashmir, if I had a
> grievance against you, I’d
> >> > have fought it out with you. But now I’ll
> get two militants to attack
> >> > you. Personal vendettas feed into the wider
> conflict; private
> >> > animosities get involved, the whole community
> is distorted.
> >> >
> >> > ‘When you see daily violence, you ask
> yourself: “Is this what we are
> >> > fighting for?” Before I was injured, I knew
> armed operations would not
> >> > lead to a solution. But the support system in
> the army is very robust.
> >> > It helps you not to feel troubled, to
> concentrate on your duty. The
> >> > camaraderie is strong, and the common danger
> a consolidating force.
> >> >
> >> > ‘North Kashmir was known as a ‘hot
> zone’. We were involved in search
> >> > and destroy missions. Militants from Pakistan
> were servicing bases in
> >> > the forest, stocks of ammunition and guns in
> camps hidden underground.
> >> > We flushed out and captured arms and
> personnel. I was leading my
> >> > company when I was injured. I remember only
> floating in and out of
> >> > consciousness. The speed of evacuation saved
> my life.
> >> >
> >> > ‘Initially I felt anger and uncertainty.
> The doctor said: “Look,
> >> > Gopal, I’ll have to take out your eye –
> if I don’t your brain may
> >> > become infected.” My destiny, which I
> thought I had taken into my
> >> > hands, took another turn. In hospital I met
> my wife. Her father had
> >> > also been in the army, and he, too, had been
> blinded. She was doing a
> >> > Social Work MA and it was through her I came
> to development work. We
> >> > were married in 2003.
> >> >
> >> > ‘I never hated Kashmir, and afterwards had
> nothing against the
> >> > militant who deprived me of sight. He was
> also doing his job. My wife
> >> > and I took our honeymoon in Kashmir. We went
> as civilians on a
> >> > houseboat. The people we met had no idea I
> was ex-army. We talked to
> >> > them. They all hated violence. I wanted to
> remember the beauty of
> >> > Kashmir. Personally, I do not care whether
> Kashmir is part of India or
> >> > Pakistan. The referendum on Kashmir which
> never took place after
> >> > Independence [in 1947] can only happen when
> people are in a position
> >> > to make reasoned choices. Kashmir has been so
> tainted that such a
> >> > choice is not possible. People need a period
> of normal life. A
> >> > generation of children have been traumatized;
> growing in the shadow of
> >> > violence, their childhood play is a mimicry
> of adult wars.
> >> >
> >> > ‘For any solution, the grievances that
> hardened into incentives to
> >> > persist in conflict need to be unravelled.
> After the loss of 80,000
> >> > lives, the Government says: “We have shed
> blood in Kashmir, and
> >> > therefore nothing can change.” I say: “I
> lost my blood, but I don’t
> >> > care that much.” Public opinion is
> manipulated by political parties. I
> >> > can speak with a certain authority, because I
> actually fought, unlike
> >> > intransigent armchair politicians. If I say
> India should take a less
> >> > hard line, this is because I have seen the
> damage hard lines can do.
> >> >
> >> > ‘I love my country, but that doesn’t mean
> I don’t think it can become
> >> > a better place. If they don’t do things
> right, thousands more will
> >> > die. Kashmir remains one of the most
> militarized places on earth. It
> >> > is often said that ethnicity creates
> violence; but I think violence
> >> > creates ethnicity – people who have lived
> in amity for centuries are
> >> > moved by injustice, and the divisiveness of
> that injustice focuses on
> >> > ethnicity or religion.
> >> >
> >> > ‘If violence has declined at present, this
> is not because India is
> >> > doing the right thing. The militants turned
> their attention to Kashmir
> >> > in 1989, when the Russians withdrew from
> Afghanistan. Today, the
> >> > militants have more urgent priorities, again
> in Afghanistan and the
> >> > Pakistan border. Because the Indian state
> failed to grant autonomy to
> >> > Kashmir, the social contract between people
> and State was breached. It
> >> > is easy to explain why the conflict started,
> but that doesn’t account
> >> > for the way it assumed a life of its own, and
> its prolongation over so
> >> > many years.
> >> >
> >> > ‘There is no overnight solution. But there
> is a window of opportunity,
> >> > now the pressure has lessened on Kashmir by
> the removal of militants
> >> > to other parts of Asia. There is a chance for
> everyday life to be
> >> > restored, where people will not have their
> door hammered in at two in
> >> > the morning, or stopped at four roadblocks on
> the way to the market.
> >> > Indian soldiers will not have instructions
> during elections to coerce
> >> > 70 per cent of people to vote, just to
> ‘prove’ they support the
> >> > democratic process.
> >> >
> >> > ‘It is painful to say this as a Hindu army
> officer and an Indian
> >> > patriot, but truth is truth. I see an
> opportunity in Kashmir right
> >> > now, especially since Pakistan is troubled by
> its own internal
> >> > conflict. If we don’t seize it, India will
> be the loser.’
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