[Reader-list] FIR and this list

[kamalhak at gmail.com]

Dear Samvit,
I think you overlooked to mention Panun Kashmir will also be a geographical territory fully integrated with India. And this is the position that creates problems for our vociferous friends on the list. 

Regards,

Kamal Hak 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com>
Sender: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:40:27 
To: anupam chakravartty<c.anupam at gmail.com>
Cc: sarai list<reader-list at sarai.net>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] FIR and this list

Anupam,
Panun kashmir will be a place where all people irrespective of their faith,
caste, sexual orientation/preference will live in peace and harmony.
Everyone will have the right to preach/practice their belief. There will be
no place for voilence in PK.
I hope that answers your question. If there is anything else do let me know
and I will try my best to clarify any doubt.

Thanks,
-Samvit

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:29 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Samvit,
>
> My ideals might be utopian. But what about your idea of a nation state sir.
> You havent been able to answer a single question that emerged out of this
> debate. Why are you mindlessly traversing through JNU/Bolivia/leftist
> guerilla? If the only set of people who speak for those who have been
> harassed, who fall prey to perversion of nation, are leftist guerillas,
> then
> i am with them. Call the police now.
>
> Anupam
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:25 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > My dearest Aditya
> >
> > Then keep your statements to the court of law. Else just pray and hope
> that
> > people who term as ignorant do not file a contempt of court against you.
> > Good day!
> >
> > Anupam
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> My dearest Anupam.. I'll substantiate in the court of law if called as a
> >> witness. Do you relate so much with the term 'pain mob'? Just curious.
> >>
> >> Much love
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, anupam chakravartty <
> c.anupam at gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > aditya,
> >> > Seeking court order is the easiest thing in this country. how do you
> >> > substantiate "paid mob"? where is your proof? who has paid them?
> >> >
> >> > anupam
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
> >> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Aaarti, you can continue to imagine whatever you want.. just that by
> >> that
> >> >> imagination you may never be able to change a hypocrite Arundhati Roy
> >> and
> >> >> her men on this forum. Court order is a setback to her paid mob on
> this
> >> >> forum and otherwise.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dear Aditya,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Spreading rumours is your forte. We would never presume to usurp
> your
> >> >> > distinguished position as the prime spreader of defamatory slander
> >> and
> >> >> lies.
> >> >> > So don't worry.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > warm regards
> >> >> > Aarti
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
> >> >> kauladityaraj at gmail.com
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I've filed no case against anybody. Stop spreading rumors.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Talking of fiction-writer Arundhati Roy and her gang mates who
> >> >> >> participated
> >> >> >> at the Delhi seminar, there is a fit case against them on various
> >> >> grounds.
> >> >> >> Not just sedition. Let the Court take care of rest.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:53 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com
> >> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Having business relationship with Kashmiris, personally Samvit,
> is
> >> >> not
> >> >> >> what
> >> >> >> > I look forward to. There is no need for me to think of it as a
> >> real
> >> >> >> estate
> >> >> >> > property unlike you all advocating Panun Kashmir in the same
> vein.
> >> If
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> > consider yourself as a Kashmiri, then I guess you should have
> been
> >> >> able
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > speak against the fortress erected by armed forces, the
> >> >> mis-governance
> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> > subsequent Indian governments, the gross human rights
> violations.
> >> >> >> > Sub-nationalism, anti nationalism feeds on these things.You
> >> explore
> >> >> this
> >> >> >> > problem as an anti-India issue, when you have the option of
> >> speaking
> >> >> up
> >> >> >> > against violations by the successive governments while at the
> same
> >> >> time,
> >> >> >> > supporting the steps taken to resolve this crisis. Look what you
> >> >> offered
> >> >> >> > just now as a counter: Panun Kashmir.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > anupam
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > Oh yes Anupam, you forgot about the Goshtabas that she was
> >> feasting
> >> >> on
> >> >> >> > > after she spoke at the Aazadi seminar. In KAshmir it is called
> >> >> >> > > Goshtaba diplomacy. Arundhati knows nothing about Kashmir or
> >> >> >> > > Kashmiries. She is a fly by night operator and has no business
> >> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > > Valley. She and people like you try to use your verbal
> jugglery
> >> to
> >> >> >> > > promote an anti India agenda. The fact is that Article 370
> does
> >> not
> >> >> >> > > allow people like you to have any business with us Kashmiries.
> >> It
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> > > our land and that is what it stays. We will make Panun Kashmir
> >> out
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > > it even thought it may take hundreds of years. If there is
> >> anyone
> >> >> on
> >> >> >> > > this forum who needs to zip up it is Arundhati's cronies who
> are
> >> on
> >> >> >> > > the payroll of many organizations. Also, I removed the garb of
> >> >> >> > > Arundhati being a pro-poor because she wears western
> bourgeoisie
> >> >> >> > > outfits and  goes to expensive gyms. And when she has to
> address
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > > media she will wear a khadi/cotton sari. You twisted these
> words
> >> to
> >> >> >> > > say that I indulged in a "perverted imagination". You are a
> >> classic
> >> >> >> > > case of Sawan ke andhe ko sab hara hi hara nazar aata hai.
> >> (Hindi).
> >> >> >> > > One who goes blind in spring, sees only greenery all around!!!
> >> >> >> > > -SR
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:54 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > Defensive? I used the word "shame". Unlike yours, My hands
> are
> >> >> tied
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> > > > efforts to understand the complexity of issues in this
> >> country.
> >> >> >> Sadly,
> >> >> >> > > when
> >> >> >> > > > a writer addresses this issues, and expresses her views, she
> >> is
> >> >> >> > vilified
> >> >> >> > > to
> >> >> >> > > > the extant that she becomes the subject of your perverted
> >> >> >> imagination,
> >> >> >> > > > Samvit. Her house, where she dwells becomes the object of
> your
> >> >> >> > scrutiny.
> >> >> >> > > BUT
> >> >> >> > > > NOT KASHMIR. BUT NOT AFSPA. So why should states from North
> >> East,
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > > state
> >> >> >> > > > of Kashmir demand secession from the Indian state? I dont
> have
> >> to
> >> >> >> look
> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> > > > historical examples. Your attitudes, Aditya Raj Kaul's
> >> attitude
> >> >> >> speaks
> >> >> >> > > > volumes. This is your two paisa bit that you do to counter
> >> >> someone's
> >> >> >> > > > statements. it is SHAME, Samvit. Please do not give me the
> >> >> example
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > > democratic set up of this country.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> > > >> I know neither Aditya or nor anyone else on this forum but
> I
> >> am
> >> >> >> > > >> surprised that if Aditya has registered a complaint why
> >> should
> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> > > >> get so defensive. We have a democratic setup and he has
> every
> >> >> right
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > > >> go to the court. Similarly, Arundhati and others have every
> >> >> right
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > > >> defend themselves. The Indian judicial system is a
> multi-tier
> >> >> >> process
> >> >> >> > > >> just for the sake that justice should be done. Why is such
> a
> >> >> fuss
> >> >> >> > > >> being made about it. This is a simple process. We must
> >> respect
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> law
> >> >> >> > > >> of the land and if we don't we should be ready to face the
> >> >> >> > > >> consqueunces. We all make our choices and have to live by
> >> them.
> >> >> >> > > >> -SR
> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> > > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:31 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> >> >> > > c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >> > It shameful that Aditya Raj Kaul, who is hell bent on
> >> >> producing
> >> >> >> > false
> >> >> >> > > >> > reports on any issue he feels like has also named one of
> >> the
> >> >> list
> >> >> >> > > >> > members in
> >> >> >> > > >> > the complaint, out of his desperation and his
> understanding
> >> of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > > >> > Kashmir
> >> >> >> > > >> > issue.
> >> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Ana Valdés <
> >> >> agora158 at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >> Sorry but I want now to unsubscribe from these list. If
> >> >> memberrs
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > > >> >> this
> >> >> >> > > >> >> list has done that they have shown a flagrant disrespect
> >> tor
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > > rights
> >> >> >> > > >> >> of
> >> >> >> > > >> >> a
> >> >> >> > > >> >> writer to speak freely and to to express its opinions.
> >> >> >> > > >> >> A person using the Sate recourses, police and judges to
> do
> >> >> that,
> >> >> >> > has
> >> >> >> > > no
> >> >> >> > > >> >> right to belong to this list, but since I am not the
> >> >> moderator I
> >> >> >> > > choose
> >> >> >> > > >> >> ,myself to go and to leave you all with such despicable
> >> >> >> > > interlocutors.
> >> >> >> > > >> >> Ana
> >> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> >> > > >> >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Jeebesh <
> >> jeebesh at sarai.net>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > dear All,
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.mid-day.com/news/2010/nov/301110-News-Delhi-FIR-Kashmiri-separatist-leader-Syed-Ali-Geelani-Arundhati-Roy-sedition.htm
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > Members of this list are behind the private complaint
> >> that
> >> >> has
> >> >> >> > > pushed
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > courts to get an FIR lodged.
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > There are member of this list who are named in the
> FIR.
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > So, dear list members, the online and offline flows
> >> >> entangles
> >> >> >> > each
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > other.
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > Lets think hard.
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > warmly
> >> >> >> > > >> >> > jeebesh
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> >> >
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