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[anupam chakravartty]

Samvit,

I want to thank you for stating what you have stated about PK. I appreciate
the directness of your words. However, you still have not said anything
about your previous statements:

"Oh yes Anupam, you forgot about the Goshtabas that she was feasting on
after she spoke at the Aazadi seminar. In KAshmir it is called
Goshtaba diplomacy."

How is Goshtaba diplomacy connected to what you have said just now for Panun
Kashmir?

"She is a fly by night operator and has no business in the
Valley. She and people like you try to use your verbal jugglery to
promote an anti India agenda."

How have you decided in the above statement that people like me are
promoting anti India agenda? What were your grounds, to be precise? So far,
you have associated me with JNU and smoking hashish, bolivian leftist
guerillas. (apologies if i am missing out on something else. You know what,
i feel really kicked when you associate me with these things because I am
just a regular guy with an irregular job. And yes I engage in debauchery
when I am drunk just like millions in this country. Please do not think only
JNU students are capable of that.) I believe in an oppressive state, any one
who is speaking about masses, making some observations about the general
state of rot in any country of this world are labelled as activists. that is
where intelligence fails and categorization happens, even before the issue
is addressed.

"Also, I removed the garb of Arundhati being a pro-poor because she wears
western bourgeoisie outfits and  goes to expensive gyms."

As far as I can recollect, you used the word 'skimpy' in an earlier reply
which is why I called you a pervert. Yes, such observations on people are
perverse.

Also, DOES OUR GOVERNMENT LISTEN TO THE POOR? When did Arundhati Roy or any
of her supporters say that "hey we are poor" and then they were caught on a
tape with tonnes of money. for all you know, these people are paying taxes
for every single book they are selling. it was shameful for MP government,
which is worst when it comes to the implementation of Forest Rights Act, to
have overtly pursued Roy's husband's house. You know what message comes when
I read about such actions by democratically elected governments, that there
is no space for people to speak or express their angst. it is better, if
they pick up guns, explode a few bombs. only then they hear that we are
slowly dying a death as a country. these writers and their supporters who
you attack with your observations, are demanding the rights of people who
have been forced to be poor, while Ratan Tata in an interview says Obama
administration that India has emerged. emerged from where? an industrialist
making such a statement is unfortunately becomes the headline for a
newspaper but a writer using all her prowess to explore the psyches those
who decided to explode the bombs to attract attention (may be tired of
shouting and screaming for years) is vilified. what are these strange times?
And you accuse me of being utopian.

poverty being a condition that persists because those alternatives through
which the poor may have used their potential to earn their livelihood was
not given to them. that way, all the politicians from all hues who launch
pro poor scheme should be default go to jails when a scam in any of these
schemes break out.  howcome its you Samvit who sees that someone who is
writing, exploring such social stigmas cannot do what they like in their
personal lives. it is not as if such writers or social workers are violating
your personal rights. is Arundhati Roy or her supporters encroaching your
house or your comfort? or are you generally, in that soap opera bahu style
jealous of them because they are speaking up for the poor of this country
and not you? What would be the connection to her being anti India, wearing
'western outfits' to gymnasium, what you have just stated about Panun
Kashmir, and what I had asked you: your idea of a nation?

lastly, "you seems to have a fetish of questioning people who do not agree
with you"

Why should not i question? in agreement, there is understanding. In
disagreement, there is no understanding. so let me understand, where this is
coming from.

Anupam



On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anupam,
> Panun kashmir will be a place where all people irrespective of their faith,
> caste, sexual orientation/preference will live in peace and harmony.
> Everyone will have the right to preach/practice their belief. There will be
> no place for voilence in PK.
> I hope that answers your question. If there is anything else do let me know
> and I will try my best to clarify any doubt.
>
> Thanks,
> -Samvit
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:29 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Samvit,
>>
>> My ideals might be utopian. But what about your idea of a nation state
>> sir.
>> You havent been able to answer a single question that emerged out of this
>> debate. Why are you mindlessly traversing through JNU/Bolivia/leftist
>> guerilla? If the only set of people who speak for those who have been
>> harassed, who fall prey to perversion of nation, are leftist guerillas,
>> then
>> i am with them. Call the police now.
>>
>> Anupam
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:25 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > My dearest Aditya
>> >
>> > Then keep your statements to the court of law. Else just pray and hope
>> that
>> > people who term as ignorant do not file a contempt of court against you.
>> > Good day!
>> >
>> > Anupam
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> My dearest Anupam.. I'll substantiate in the court of law if called as
>> a
>> >> witness. Do you relate so much with the term 'pain mob'? Just curious.
>> >>
>> >> Much love
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, anupam chakravartty <
>> c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > aditya,
>> >> > Seeking court order is the easiest thing in this country. how do you
>> >> > substantiate "paid mob"? where is your proof? who has paid them?
>> >> >
>> >> > anupam
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>> >> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Aaarti, you can continue to imagine whatever you want.. just that by
>> >> that
>> >> >> imagination you may never be able to change a hypocrite Arundhati
>> Roy
>> >> and
>> >> >> her men on this forum. Court order is a setback to her paid mob on
>> this
>> >> >> forum and otherwise.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Dear Aditya,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Spreading rumours is your forte. We would never presume to usurp
>> your
>> >> >> > distinguished position as the prime spreader of defamatory slander
>> >> and
>> >> >> lies.
>> >> >> > So don't worry.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > warm regards
>> >> >> > Aarti
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>> >> >> kauladityaraj at gmail.com
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I've filed no case against anybody. Stop spreading rumors.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Talking of fiction-writer Arundhati Roy and her gang mates who
>> >> >> >> participated
>> >> >> >> at the Delhi seminar, there is a fit case against them on various
>> >> >> grounds.
>> >> >> >> Not just sedition. Let the Court take care of rest.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:53 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Having business relationship with Kashmiris, personally Samvit,
>> is
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> what
>> >> >> >> > I look forward to. There is no need for me to think of it as a
>> >> real
>> >> >> >> estate
>> >> >> >> > property unlike you all advocating Panun Kashmir in the same
>> vein.
>> >> If
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> > consider yourself as a Kashmiri, then I guess you should have
>> been
>> >> >> able
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > speak against the fortress erected by armed forces, the
>> >> >> mis-governance
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> > subsequent Indian governments, the gross human rights
>> violations.
>> >> >> >> > Sub-nationalism, anti nationalism feeds on these things.You
>> >> explore
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> > problem as an anti-India issue, when you have the option of
>> >> speaking
>> >> >> up
>> >> >> >> > against violations by the successive governments while at the
>> same
>> >> >> time,
>> >> >> >> > supporting the steps taken to resolve this crisis. Look what
>> you
>> >> >> offered
>> >> >> >> > just now as a counter: Panun Kashmir.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > anupam
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > > Oh yes Anupam, you forgot about the Goshtabas that she was
>> >> feasting
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> > > after she spoke at the Aazadi seminar. In KAshmir it is
>> called
>> >> >> >> > > Goshtaba diplomacy. Arundhati knows nothing about Kashmir or
>> >> >> >> > > Kashmiries. She is a fly by night operator and has no
>> business
>> >> in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > > Valley. She and people like you try to use your verbal
>> jugglery
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > promote an anti India agenda. The fact is that Article 370
>> does
>> >> not
>> >> >> >> > > allow people like you to have any business with us
>> Kashmiries.
>> >> It
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> > > our land and that is what it stays. We will make Panun
>> Kashmir
>> >> out
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> > > it even thought it may take hundreds of years. If there is
>> >> anyone
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> > > this forum who needs to zip up it is Arundhati's cronies who
>> are
>> >> on
>> >> >> >> > > the payroll of many organizations. Also, I removed the garb
>> of
>> >> >> >> > > Arundhati being a pro-poor because she wears western
>> bourgeoisie
>> >> >> >> > > outfits and  goes to expensive gyms. And when she has to
>> address
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > > media she will wear a khadi/cotton sari. You twisted these
>> words
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > say that I indulged in a "perverted imagination". You are a
>> >> classic
>> >> >> >> > > case of Sawan ke andhe ko sab hara hi hara nazar aata hai.
>> >> (Hindi).
>> >> >> >> > > One who goes blind in spring, sees only greenery all
>> around!!!
>> >> >> >> > > -SR
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:54 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > Defensive? I used the word "shame". Unlike yours, My hands
>> are
>> >> >> tied
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> > my
>> >> >> >> > > > efforts to understand the complexity of issues in this
>> >> country.
>> >> >> >> Sadly,
>> >> >> >> > > when
>> >> >> >> > > > a writer addresses this issues, and expresses her views,
>> she
>> >> is
>> >> >> >> > vilified
>> >> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> >> > > > the extant that she becomes the subject of your perverted
>> >> >> >> imagination,
>> >> >> >> > > > Samvit. Her house, where she dwells becomes the object of
>> your
>> >> >> >> > scrutiny.
>> >> >> >> > > BUT
>> >> >> >> > > > NOT KASHMIR. BUT NOT AFSPA. So why should states from North
>> >> East,
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > > state
>> >> >> >> > > > of Kashmir demand secession from the Indian state? I dont
>> have
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> look
>> >> >> >> > at
>> >> >> >> > > > historical examples. Your attitudes, Aditya Raj Kaul's
>> >> attitude
>> >> >> >> speaks
>> >> >> >> > > > volumes. This is your two paisa bit that you do to counter
>> >> >> someone's
>> >> >> >> > > > statements. it is SHAME, Samvit. Please do not give me the
>> >> >> example
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > > > democratic set up of this country.
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> >> > > >> I know neither Aditya or nor anyone else on this forum but
>> I
>> >> am
>> >> >> >> > > >> surprised that if Aditya has registered a complaint why
>> >> should
>> >> >> >> people
>> >> >> >> > > >> get so defensive. We have a democratic setup and he has
>> every
>> >> >> right
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > >> go to the court. Similarly, Arundhati and others have
>> every
>> >> >> right
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > >> defend themselves. The Indian judicial system is a
>> multi-tier
>> >> >> >> process
>> >> >> >> > > >> just for the sake that justice should be done. Why is such
>> a
>> >> >> fuss
>> >> >> >> > > >> being made about it. This is a simple process. We must
>> >> respect
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> law
>> >> >> >> > > >> of the land and if we don't we should be ready to face the
>> >> >> >> > > >> consqueunces. We all make our choices and have to live by
>> >> them.
>> >> >> >> > > >> -SR
>> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> >> > > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:31 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >> >> >> > > c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> > > >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >> > It shameful that Aditya Raj Kaul, who is hell bent on
>> >> >> producing
>> >> >> >> > false
>> >> >> >> > > >> > reports on any issue he feels like has also named one of
>> >> the
>> >> >> list
>> >> >> >> > > >> > members in
>> >> >> >> > > >> > the complaint, out of his desperation and his
>> understanding
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > > >> > Kashmir
>> >> >> >> > > >> > issue.
>> >> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> >> > > >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Ana Valdés <
>> >> >> agora158 at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> Sorry but I want now to unsubscribe from these list. If
>> >> >> memberrs
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> this
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> list has done that they have shown a flagrant
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>> >> tor
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > > rights
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> of
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> a
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> writer to speak freely and to to express its opinions.
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> A person using the Sate recourses, police and judges to
>> do
>> >> >> that,
>> >> >> >> > has
>> >> >> >> > > no
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> right to belong to this list, but since I am not the
>> >> >> moderator I
>> >> >> >> > > choose
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> ,myself to go and to leave you all with such despicable
>> >> >> >> > > interlocutors.
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> Ana
>> >> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > > >> >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Jeebesh <
>> >> jeebesh at sarai.net>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
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