[Reader-list] What to do with a Quran written in Saddam's blood

Thu Dec 23 16:29:25 IST 2010

Dear Anupam
I find it weired defending a quran written in Saddam's blood of all
the things. But if you insist, blood coagulates as early as any ink.
But the blood can also be kept in fresh/liquid form using special
containers. How do I care if this Quran in his blood is real or fake.
But I know there are people among Muslims (or any religion) who can go
to such extremes to express their faith. I am sure you are aware that
many shias take out their blood in the most grisely methods during the
Muharram to express their passion for the Karbala martyrs. So, I am
won't be surprised if the Iraqi dictator did this - whether he is a
shia or not. There is a history for such acts.
As Salim would prefer, let us end this grisly debate here.

J

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> Javed,
>
> Agreed that this was done over a period of two years. How would a
> calligrapher do his work with a substance that starts coagulating
> immediately when it comes in contact with the atmosphere? I do not mean to
> offend any sentiment here. If only you could throw some light. I am
> ignorant, as it has been deduced earlier.
>
> anupam
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anupam ji
>> These days anything can be fake, including your science book, but it
>> would be foolish to assume that Saddam was so superhuman that he
>> produced 27 litres of blood IN ONE GO (and his calligraphist equaly
>> virtuoso that he wrote down 114 pages in one sitting). Please read the
>> report a bit deeper:
>>
>> "The Koran, which is currently stored behind three vaulted doors, was
>> created over the course of two years as Saddam attended regular
>> appointments with a nurse and an Islamic calligrapher."
>>
>> Even if he gave one litre of blood every month, he could give about 27
>> litres over 2 years. Nevertheless, it all seems rather grisely. It is
>> the religious fervour that has to be "appreciated".
>>
>> Javed
>>
>> On 12/22/10, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The Grisly legacy might just be fake Javed.
>> >
>> > The piece says: "The fate of the macabre project is now being considered
>> > as
>> > the country debates what should become of the dictator’s final relics.
>> > Enlarge   Dilemma: The fate of a Koran written using 27 litres of Saddam
>> > Hussein's blood is uncertain. It is currently stored behind three
>> > vaulted
>> > doors in Iraq."
>> >
>> >
>> > "On the average, an adult human male who weighs 70 kg. has a blood
>> > volume of
>> > about 5 liters, or a little more than 5 quarts." says my science text
>> > book.
>> > For your reference: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1998/LanNaLee.shtml
>> >
>> > Thanks Anupam
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Very interesting are some visitor;s comments at the end:
>> >> -------------------
>> >> A grisly legacy: What is to become of the Koran written in Saddam
>> >> Hussein's blood?
>> >> By Sara Nelson
>> >>
>> >> Iraq’s government is unsure what to do with Saddam’s ghoulish legacy –
>> >> a Koran written using his blood.
>> >>
>> >> The 114-chapter book, which required 27 litres of his blood, has been
>> >> under lock and key for almost eight years.
>> >>
>> >> The fate of the macabre project is now being considered as the country
>> >> debates what should become of the dictator’s final relics.
>> >> Enlarge   Dilemma: The fate of a Koran written using 27 litres of
>> >> Saddam Hussein's blood is uncertain. It is currently stored behind
>> >> three vaulted doors in Iraq
>> >>
>> >> ‘What is in here is priceless, worth absolutely millions of dollars,’
>> >> Sheikh Ahmed al-Samarrai, head of Iraq’s Sunni Endowment fund, told
>> >> The Guardian.
>> >>
>> >> Despite his opposition to the very existence of the document (he
>> >> describes it as ‘haraam’ or forbidden), Sheikh Sammarrai has protected
>> >> the blood-soaked pages since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
>> >>
>> >> He said: ‘I knew this would be much sought after and we made the
>> >> decision to protect it. But to see this now is not easy.
>> >> Saddam with the Koran written in his own blood
>> >>
>> >> Brought to book: Saddam takes delivery of a copy of the Koran in 2000,
>> >> in Baghdad. Iraqi newspapers reported that he ordered the holy book to
>> >> be scribed in his own blood as thanks for his long political career
>> >>
>> >> 'There are three keys and none of them are held in the one place. I
>> >> have one, the police chief in the area has another and there is a
>> >> third in another part of Baghdad.’
>> >> 'This [book] is very destructive for the psyche of the Iraqi
>> >> population. This is a clear reminder of the consequences of
>> >> totalitarianism. I am for removing it' - Ahmed Chalabi, President of
>> >> the Governing Council of Iraq
>> >>
>> >> 'We should keep this as a document for the brutality of Saddam,
>> >> because he should not have done this' - Ali al-Moussawi, spokesman for
>> >> the prime minister, Nour al-Maliki
>> >>
>> >> The Koran, which is currently stored behind three vaulted doors, was
>> >> created over the course of two years as Saddam attended regular
>> >> appointments with a nurse and an Islamic calligrapher.
>> >>
>> >> The tyrant took on the project after deciding to re-embrace his
>> >> religion after his elder son Uday survived an assassination attempt.
>> >>
>> >> Abbas Shakir Joody al-Baghdadi was the calligrapher commissioned by
>> >> Saddam himself.
>> >>
>> >> Understandably, al-Baghdadi is reluctant to be associated with the
>> >> grisly
>> >> work.
>> >>
>> >> Speaking from his new home in the U.S., he said: ‘I don’t like to talk
>> >> about this now. It was a painful part of my life that I want to forget
>> >> about.’
>> >>
>> >> A towering statue of Saddam was pulled to the ground in 2003 in a
>> >> symbolic act against his oppressive regime.
>> >>
>> >> Working together in the heart of Baghdad, U.S. marines helped crowds
>> >> of Iraqi men bring down the imposing monument on the day the city's
>> >> population celebrated its liberation.
>> >>
>> >> The scenes were reminiscent of the fall of the Berlin Wall, brought
>> >> down by citizens of another oppressed city.
>> >>
>> >> But the fate of the blood Koran remains uncertain, as a debate within
>> >> Iraq rages over whether everything from the brutal regime should be
>> >> removed.
>> >>
>> >> Ahmed Chalabi, who is President of the Governing Council of Iraq, says
>> >> anything connected to him must go.
>> >>
>> >> He said: ‘This is very destructive for the psyche of the Iraqi
>> >> population.
>> >>
>> >> 'This is a clear reminder of the consequences of totalitarianism and
>> >> idealising a person that embodies evil.
>> >>
>> >> 'They have brought nothing to Iraq. They are not worth celebrating.
>> >>
>> >> 'They have nothing aesthetic to offer. I am for removing them.’
>> >>
>> >> Meanwhile, Ali al-Moussawi, a spokesman for the prime minister, Nour
>> >> al-Maliki, said: 'We should keep this as a document for the brutality
>> >> of Saddam, because he should not have done this.
>> >>
>> >> 'It says a lot about him. It should never be put in a museum though,
>> >> because no Iraqi wants to see it.
>> >>
>> >> 'Maybe in the future it could be sent to a private museum, like
>> >> memorabilia from the Hitler and Stalin regimes.'
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> Anyone got a spare match?????????
>> >>
>> >> - jim, Wirral,UK, 21/12/2010 13:33
>> >>
>> >> Burn the effin' thing.
>> >>
>> >> - kevin webb, accrington lancs, 21/12/2010 13:30
>> >>
>> >> Put it on Ebay
>> >>
>> >> - Eddie John, Some place nice, 21/12/2010 13:11
>> >>
>> >> The words are the words of Mohammed because there is no God....Burn it.
>> >>
>> >> - Atheist, UK, 21/12/2010 12:56
>> >>
>> >> Pleaseeeeeeeee don't burn it...give to me instead !!!....... so that i
>> >> can pay off my mortgage out of it proceeds........(struggling without
>> >> a job for long time)
>> >>
>> >> - jj, birmingham, 21/12/2010 12:54
>> >>
>> >> The western people were fed to their bones by the American government
>> >> pro-zionist propaganda which was peddled by the media that Saddam was
>> >> "evil". He was not. He was merely trying to defend the interest of
>> >> Iraq. The fact is that the devil is America.
>> >>
>> >> - Nevermind, London, 21/12/2010 12:44
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340271/A-grisly-legacy-What-Saddam-Hussein-s-Blood-Koran.html
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