[Reader-list] What to do with a Quran written in Saddam's blood

Thu Dec 23 18:36:41 IST 2010

Dear Javed

The intention here was not to "debate" about a Quran. Since I am ignorant to
such practices, I wanted to know more about it.

thanks Anupam

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Anupam
> I find it weired defending a quran written in Saddam's blood of all
> the things. But if you insist, blood coagulates as early as any ink.
> But the blood can also be kept in fresh/liquid form using special
> containers. How do I care if this Quran in his blood is real or fake.
> But I know there are people among Muslims (or any religion) who can go
> to such extremes to express their faith. I am sure you are aware that
> many shias take out their blood in the most grisely methods during the
> Muharram to express their passion for the Karbala martyrs. So, I am
> won't be surprised if the Iraqi dictator did this - whether he is a
> shia or not. There is a history for such acts.
> As Salim would prefer, let us end this grisly debate here.
>
> J
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Javed,
> >
> > Agreed that this was done over a period of two years. How would a
> > calligrapher do his work with a substance that starts coagulating
> > immediately when it comes in contact with the atmosphere? I do not mean
> to
> > offend any sentiment here. If only you could throw some light. I am
> > ignorant, as it has been deduced earlier.
> >
> > anupam
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anupam ji
> >> These days anything can be fake, including your science book, but it
> >> would be foolish to assume that Saddam was so superhuman that he
> >> produced 27 litres of blood IN ONE GO (and his calligraphist equaly
> >> virtuoso that he wrote down 114 pages in one sitting). Please read the
> >> report a bit deeper:
> >>
> >> "The Koran, which is currently stored behind three vaulted doors, was
> >> created over the course of two years as Saddam attended regular
> >> appointments with a nurse and an Islamic calligrapher."
> >>
> >> Even if he gave one litre of blood every month, he could give about 27
> >> litres over 2 years. Nevertheless, it all seems rather grisely. It is
> >> the religious fervour that has to be "appreciated".
> >>
> >> Javed
> >>
> >> On 12/22/10, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > The Grisly legacy might just be fake Javed.
> >> >
> >> > The piece says: "The fate of the macabre project is now being
> considered
> >> > as
> >> > the country debates what should become of the dictator’s final relics.
> >> > Enlarge   Dilemma: The fate of a Koran written using 27 litres of
> Saddam
> >> > Hussein's blood is uncertain. It is currently stored behind three
> >> > vaulted
> >> > doors in Iraq."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "On the average, an adult human male who weighs 70 kg. has a blood
> >> > volume of
> >> > about 5 liters, or a little more than 5 quarts." says my science text
> >> > book.
> >> > For your reference:
> http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1998/LanNaLee.shtml
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Anupam
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Very interesting are some visitor;s comments at the end:
> >> >> -------------------
> >> >> A grisly legacy: What is to become of the Koran written in Saddam
> >> >> Hussein's blood?
> >> >> By Sara Nelson
> >> >>
> >> >> Iraq’s government is unsure what to do with Saddam’s ghoulish legacy
> –
> >> >> a Koran written using his blood.
> >> >>
> >> >> The 114-chapter book, which required 27 litres of his blood, has been
> >> >> under lock and key for almost eight years.
> >> >>
> >> >> The fate of the macabre project is now being considered as the
> country
> >> >> debates what should become of the dictator’s final relics.
> >> >> Enlarge   Dilemma: The fate of a Koran written using 27 litres of
> >> >> Saddam Hussein's blood is uncertain. It is currently stored behind
> >> >> three vaulted doors in Iraq
> >> >>
> >> >> ‘What is in here is priceless, worth absolutely millions of dollars,’
> >> >> Sheikh Ahmed al-Samarrai, head of Iraq’s Sunni Endowment fund, told
> >> >> The Guardian.
> >> >>
> >> >> Despite his opposition to the very existence of the document (he
> >> >> describes it as ‘haraam’ or forbidden), Sheikh Sammarrai has
> protected
> >> >> the blood-soaked pages since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
> >> >>
> >> >> He said: ‘I knew this would be much sought after and we made the
> >> >> decision to protect it. But to see this now is not easy.
> >> >> Saddam with the Koran written in his own blood
> >> >>
> >> >> Brought to book: Saddam takes delivery of a copy of the Koran in
> 2000,
> >> >> in Baghdad. Iraqi newspapers reported that he ordered the holy book
> to
> >> >> be scribed in his own blood as thanks for his long political career
> >> >>
> >> >> 'There are three keys and none of them are held in the one place. I
> >> >> have one, the police chief in the area has another and there is a
> >> >> third in another part of Baghdad.’
> >> >> 'This [book] is very destructive for the psyche of the Iraqi
> >> >> population. This is a clear reminder of the consequences of
> >> >> totalitarianism. I am for removing it' - Ahmed Chalabi, President of
> >> >> the Governing Council of Iraq
> >> >>
> >> >> 'We should keep this as a document for the brutality of Saddam,
> >> >> because he should not have done this' - Ali al-Moussawi, spokesman
> for
> >> >> the prime minister, Nour al-Maliki
> >> >>
> >> >> The Koran, which is currently stored behind three vaulted doors, was
> >> >> created over the course of two years as Saddam attended regular
> >> >> appointments with a nurse and an Islamic calligrapher.
> >> >>
> >> >> The tyrant took on the project after deciding to re-embrace his
> >> >> religion after his elder son Uday survived an assassination attempt.
> >> >>
> >> >> Abbas Shakir Joody al-Baghdadi was the calligrapher commissioned by
> >> >> Saddam himself.
> >> >>
> >> >> Understandably, al-Baghdadi is reluctant to be associated with the
> >> >> grisly
> >> >> work.
> >> >>
> >> >> Speaking from his new home in the U.S., he said: ‘I don’t like to
> talk
> >> >> about this now. It was a painful part of my life that I want to
> forget
> >> >> about.’
> >> >>
> >> >> A towering statue of Saddam was pulled to the ground in 2003 in a
> >> >> symbolic act against his oppressive regime.
> >> >>
> >> >> Working together in the heart of Baghdad, U.S. marines helped crowds
> >> >> of Iraqi men bring down the imposing monument on the day the city's
> >> >> population celebrated its liberation.
> >> >>
> >> >> The scenes were reminiscent of the fall of the Berlin Wall, brought
> >> >> down by citizens of another oppressed city.
> >> >>
> >> >> But the fate of the blood Koran remains uncertain, as a debate within
> >> >> Iraq rages over whether everything from the brutal regime should be
> >> >> removed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ahmed Chalabi, who is President of the Governing Council of Iraq,
> says
> >> >> anything connected to him must go.
> >> >>
> >> >> He said: ‘This is very destructive for the psyche of the Iraqi
> >> >> population.
> >> >>
> >> >> 'This is a clear reminder of the consequences of totalitarianism and
> >> >> idealising a person that embodies evil.
> >> >>
> >> >> 'They have brought nothing to Iraq. They are not worth celebrating.
> >> >>
> >> >> 'They have nothing aesthetic to offer. I am for removing them.’
> >> >>
> >> >> Meanwhile, Ali al-Moussawi, a spokesman for the prime minister, Nour
> >> >> al-Maliki, said: 'We should keep this as a document for the brutality
> >> >> of Saddam, because he should not have done this.
> >> >>
> >> >> 'It says a lot about him. It should never be put in a museum though,
> >> >> because no Iraqi wants to see it.
> >> >>
> >> >> 'Maybe in the future it could be sent to a private museum, like
> >> >> memorabilia from the Hitler and Stalin regimes.'
> >> >>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> Anyone got a spare match?????????
> >> >>
> >> >> - jim, Wirral,UK, 21/12/2010 13:33
> >> >>
> >> >> Burn the effin' thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> - kevin webb, accrington lancs, 21/12/2010 13:30
> >> >>
> >> >> Put it on Ebay
> >> >>
> >> >> - Eddie John, Some place nice, 21/12/2010 13:11
> >> >>
> >> >> The words are the words of Mohammed because there is no God....Burn
> it.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Atheist, UK, 21/12/2010 12:56
> >> >>
> >> >> Pleaseeeeeeeee don't burn it...give to me instead !!!....... so that
> i
> >> >> can pay off my mortgage out of it proceeds........(struggling without
> >> >> a job for long time)
> >> >>
> >> >> - jj, birmingham, 21/12/2010 12:54
> >> >>
> >> >> The western people were fed to their bones by the American government
> >> >> pro-zionist propaganda which was peddled by the media that Saddam was
> >> >> "evil". He was not. He was merely trying to defend the interest of
> >> >> Iraq. The fact is that the devil is America.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Nevermind, London, 21/12/2010 12:44
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340271/A-grisly-legacy-What-Saddam-Hussein-s-Blood-Koran.html
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