[Reader-list] Pune: Hindutva terror?

[Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi]

Dear all,

 what is truly amusing is the fact that "hindu" is a way of life, and has no
one as its spokesperson, as way of life is according to the individual who
has a right to live his life as he chooses to. But when it comes to any
other "organised" way of life, there are umpteen authorised spokes persons,
un- authorised spokesmen and women who have expressed their opinions, and
whole society has to tolerate the opinions as that is what the way of life
is all about for hindu way of life.
Worse, there are preachers who preach that if you follow a organised faith,
its way of life, you are the saved soul, saviour has promised salvation, as
saviour.! These preachers are out to exploit the poor and downtrodden where
our system of governance rallies with "schemes" to uphold the dignity, give
better governance by reservation, quota, jobs and what not with "populist"
schemes.!
And there are clergies who promise you jannath if you plant bombs, arrange
blasts for the faith, organised way of life, you are assured to reach haven,
enjoy with 72 virgins and believers have indoctrined belief when they go for
fidayeen attacks, their bodies will also go to heaven, to enjoy the
virgins.!
And then there are few celebrities, who have a way of life, to defend the
teror perpetrators, terrorists, as they are the organised faith
representatives achieving heaven for the living in the world.!
After a reasonable studies of all the holy books of different ways of life,
one can not miss the moot point, that this wisdom is for all humanity, holy
books are holier, as they have wisdom of the ages, of ways of life, of the
society, different segments of the society, to live better life on earth.But
the interpretations of the holy books in the changing life styles have only
created a set of preachers who believe that they are custodians of knoledge,
only their interpretations correct, thus they are the spokespersons of the
faith.Everyone has a right to express the opinions, but when the opinions
clash not for the welfare of the society, but for destroying the societal
life, the system which has the lawkeepers and judiciary which upholds laws
of the society has not done its dutes to the society.
Then at this point the blame game starts, one segment and its spokespersons
blaming the other segments of the society for all the violent acts and
destructions.But if at all, we as individuals in society, of which we are
part, pause to introspect, the blacksheep who talks of rights for the
deviants, to get a house in a particular area, buy a flat, etc, will stand
exposed. The celbrities in all walks of life do have the tendency to earn
fame, nay, notoreity by their actions. Funny part is they have right to
conceal their "real" name.! Thus,  a celebrity can only be bashing a faith,
having a name of Ganesh, mahesh, etc, but did anyone find a javed or maqbool
bashing the other way.? Celebrities do stand exposed, for they live on
crumbs of the society, bollywood has money from underworld, underworld is
known for its umblical chord connections with terror funds.

Now about the great celebrity of the time, "badshah" or King of
entertainment, is Khan, well, I have no issues with that, he has millions of
fans, they love him for his projected image in his movies, his good acting,
he is entertainer.But is he KHAN.? Is he not Shah Rukh his correct name, and
khan is his clan name.?
My name is Rajendra, my family name is Bhat, my family has had title of
Sahukars, not that we are sahukars any more.!
Issue here is what concerns me about the utterings of Shahrukh, when he says
my father is Pakistani, I have sympathies with Pakistan, is that this
pakistan is hostile neighbour, attacked the nation numerous times, proxy war
of terror is epi-centre in that nation.Yes, as a peace loving individual,
all of us need peace and harmony. But when this Shahrukh with funds sources
unknown, takes up, an image make over to say, I am Khan, I am not terrorist,
to a president of another nation, can we overlook the khan that blew up the
twin towers in that nation.?
Or to that matter, the kasab who is again in custody, having best of the
facilities is again a khan.?Or to that matter, the brothers who conspired to
blow the airport at Glasgow are not khans.?
Fact is khans are tribes which love violence, Shahrukh has indulged in
intellectual terrorism, whitewashing the fact that he is not terrorist.
As to Shivsena or MNS, it is the creation of the system, which has
preference to divide and rule the nation, it is sheer vote bank politics of
dividing the society, on caste, language and region and faith, creating
monsters out of nobodies, selectively appeasing the one or the other as per
election time needs.
Islam does not preach violence, so also all the faiths, but interpretations
of holy books by vested interests has a situation where the national leaders
go on jihaad and crusade, destoying millions of individuals of a nation,
justifying the actions as war on terror, an abstract term, not the terrorist
in society, who can not be active if  individuals do not support him, extend
logistic support to him, be the sleeper cells in thir nations when they are
asked to act, they become terrorists.Terrorism has no religion, it has only
fiscal face, of wealth, those who die for the terror acts, have the wealth
for their families all the wealth.The system which has to oversee the the
law and order has leaders who are more concerned about their next elections
to the seat of power. All across the polity, the leaders can claim to be
patriots, but the fact rmains, they do indulge in appeasements, selectively,
thus creating vote banks to ensure the power.! Power to get elected
democratically, be an autocrat, just a thought, under free expression,
responses are apprciated, but well, so what the heck.!

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:

> If there is a suspicion, first investigate the case properly and then find
> out if this can be done or not. As per initial news reports, RDX has been
> used in the blasts, and investigative agencies believe that production of
> RDX in public in India is not possible, thereby meaning that Pakistan may
> have a role in the blasts. Let's see if this is indeed true or not first,
> instead of blaming Indian Mujahideen or RSS or any other organization for
> the blasts.
>
> Rakesh
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pune And After
> > Why The German Bakery? Why not the Chabad House or the Rajneesh
> > Ashram? Why only one explosion? Why not serial explosions? Should
> > India go ahead with the Feb.25 talks with Pakistan or put them on
> > hold?
> >
> > B. Raman
> > http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264301
> >
> > Statements and comments from home minister P.Chidambaram and officials
> > indicate that the explosion in the well-known and well-frequented
> > German Bakery of Pune  around 7 PM on February 13, 2010, was an act of
> > terrorism. The case is under investigation by the local police and
> > possibly too by the National Investigation Agency (NIA), which came
> > into being after the 26/11 terrorist strikes in Mumbai. According to
> > the latest information, nine persons, including one foreigner, died in
> > the explosion, which appears to have been not a sophisticated one,
> > that could have required any special training. The expertise involved
> > could have been locally acquired. One must control the reflex to point
> > an accusing finger at Pakistan.
> >
> > The NIA's first major investigation was into the travels and
> > activities of David Coleman Headley of the Chicago cell of the
> > Lashkare-Toiba (LET) and his associate    Hussain Rana, also of
> > Chicago, in India to collect operational information  required for
> > targeting by the LET. Some of the details collected by Headley were
> > used by the LET in the 26/11 strikes in Mumbai. He had also collected
> > target details about other places of interest including in New Delhi
> > and Pune. These details had not been used till now though his
> > interrogation by the FBI reportedly indicated that the LET was
> > interested in another terrorist strike--this time in New Delhi.
> >
> > Among the targets of interest to Headley in Pune was the local Chabad
> > House, a Jewish cultural-cum-religious centre, which is frequented by
> > Jewish visitors to Pune and the local Rajneesh Ashram frequented by
> > the Western followers of Rajneesh, an Indian spiritual guru, who used
> > to live in the US and was the mentor of some sections of Western
> > youth. Both these places reconnoitred by Headley were near the German
> > Bakery, but neither of them was attacked on February 13. Instead, the
> > German Bakery was targeted.
> >
> > Why the German Bakery? Why not the Chabad House or the Rajneesh
> > Ashram? Why only one explosion? Why not serial explosions well
> > orchestrated as organised by the Indian Mujahideen in Uttar Pradesh,
> > Jaipur, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and New Delhi between November 2007 and
> > September,2008? Is it a lone wolf terrorist strike as one saw over
> > Detroit on Christmas Day when a Nigerian tried unsuccessfully to blow
> > up a US plane as it was getting ready to land in Detroit or did it
> > involve a team of terrorists like the 26/11? What is the significance
> > of the timing? Anything to do with the forthcoming resumption of
> > Indo-Pakistan dialogue on February 25? The dialogue has been under
> > suspension since 26/11. Did the timing have anything to do with the
> > US-UK offensive against the Afghan Taliban in the Helmand province,
> > which got going on Feb.13? Is it a carry-over of the anger  against
> > the Germans which Al Qaeda elements from Germany based in Pakistan's
> > tribal belt have been showing since September last? Should India go
> > ahead with the Feb.25 talks with Pakistan or put them on hold till a
> > clear picture emerges?
> >
> > These are questions which have to be addressed by the NIA and the
> > policy-makers in Delhi as the investigation makes headway. The Govt.
> > of India should keep an open mind and look into all possibilities and
> > should avoid over or hasty reactions. Reconstruction and investigation
> > of the explosion should have priority and not retaliation against it.
> >
> > B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of
> > India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical
> > Studies, Chennai.
> >
> > COMMENTS :
> >        HAVE YOUR SAY
> > Feb 15, 2010 12:30 PM
> > 21
> >
> > Maha,
> >
> > >> what points?
> >
> > The points raised in my post: "One must remember that Pune is the
> > headquarters of Abhinav Bharati and Janajagruti Samiti. Previous
> > blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way that the
> > suspicion would fall on Muslims. Picking a location that had been
> > visited by Headley would serve that purpose. In my view however it is
> > more likely that the blast was the work of Indian Mujahideens or
> > Pakis, but as Raman said, "The Govt. of India should keep an open mind
> > and look into all possibilities and should avoid over or hasty
> > reactions.""
> > Anwaar
> > Dallas, United States
> > Feb 15, 2010 12:21 PM
> > 20
> >
> > Varun,
> >
> > >> we are going to have put up with mendacity, irrationality and
> > obfuscation from Islamists and just from Moslems in general who want to
> > blame some Hindu group.
> >
> > Actually most of the mendacity, irrationality and obfuscation is from
> > you side! Raman recommends, "The Govt. of India should keep an open
> > mind and look into all possibilities and should avoid over or hasty
> > reactions." But obviously keeping an open mind is just beyond you.
> > Anwaar
> > Dallas, United States
> > Feb 15, 2010 10:24 AM
> > 19
> >
> > "It is pretty obvious you have no answer to the point raised."
> >
> > what points ? Anyone can create a blog and write biased junk
> > propaganda articles. That does not mean we have to respond them. There
> > some isolated incidents with these hindu idiots and these losers are
> > turning this into some kind of national conspiracy of hindu terrorism.
> >
> > It is interesting you have easily bought this, but still not convinced
> > about ISI's involvement in terrorism in India.
> > Maha
> > NJ, United States
> > Feb 15, 2010 10:08 AM
> > 18
> >
> > Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu
> > terrorist. I am sure likes of Vishal Arora, Ram Puniyanis, Teestas
> > will be able to link it to them through their great investigative
> > work.
> > Maha
> >
> > For the next little while, we are going to have put up with mendacity,
> > irrationality and obfuscation from Islamists and just from Moslems in
> > general who want to blame some Hindu group for the latest attack. For
> > some real beauts, check out Countercurrents.org The list of suspects
> > here would include Mossad and the CIA.
> > Varun Shekhar
> > Toronto, CANADA
> > Feb 15, 2010 09:39 AM
> > 17
> >
> > Usual trick by the usual suspects is blame some obscure Hindu group, I
> > suppose.I do not think the victims of this bomb blast will care to
> > know whether local Islamist or Paki sponsored Islamist was
> > responsible. Have a look at this and I totally agree with the author,
> > Sandeep.
> > http://www.sandeepwe...fter-and-ever-after/
> > Rama
> > sydney, Australia
> > Feb 15, 2010 07:37 AM
> > 16
> >
> > "Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu
> terrorist"
> >
> > I do not know about that but one thing is sure. Pakistan had
> > absolutely NO hand in the incident.
> > Ganesan
> > Nj, USA
> > Feb 15, 2010 05:19 AM
> > 15
> >
> > Maha,
> >
> > >> It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu terrorist.
> >
> > It is pretty obvious you have no answer to the point raised.
> > Anwaar
> > Dallas, United States
> > Feb 15, 2010 03:10 AM
> > 14
> >
> > http://prabhuguptara...stika-terrorism.html"
> >
> > Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu
> > terrorist. I am sure likes of Vishal Arora, Ram Puniyanis, Teestas
> > will be able to link it to them through their great investigative
> > work.
> > Maha
> > NJ, United States
> > Feb 15, 2010 02:22 AM
> > 13
> >
> > Maha,
> >
> > Re: "Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a
> > way that the suspicion would fall on Muslims".
> >
> > "The police had also reportedly found Muslim taqiyahs (skullcaps) and
> > fake beards in Rajkuntwar’s house."
> >
> > http://prabhuguptara...stika-terrorism.html
> > Anwaar
> > Dallas, United States
> > Feb 15, 2010 01:42 AM
> > 12
> >
> > "Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way
> > that the suspicion would fall on Muslims"
> >
> > I agree. Most of the blasts that are suspected to be done by islamic
> > terrorists are found be done by Abhinav bharatis and other hindutva
> > terrorists.
> > Maha
> > NJ, United States
> > Feb 15, 2010 01:18 AM
> > 11
> >
> > " The Govt. of India should keep an open mind and look into all
> > possibilities ...."
> >
> > Mr.Raman is right. Among "all possibilities" one must remember that
> > Pune is the headquarters of Abhinav Bharati and Janajagruti Samiti.
> > Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way
> > that the suspicion would fall on Muslims. Picking a location that had
> > been visited by Headley would serve that purpose.
> >
> > In my view however it is more likely that the blast was the work of
> > Indian Mujahideens or Pakis, but as Raman said, "The Govt. of India
> > should keep an open mind and look into all possibilities and should
> > avoid over or hasty reactions."
> > Anwaar
> > Dallas, United States
> > Feb 14, 2010 11:25 PM
> > 10
> >
> > Nasser u r showing pathetic mindset.Using Malaegaon and Samjhuta to
> > condone Pune is abysmal thinking and deadly dangerous.Dont know why
> > are you blaming Hindus for maligning yr Fellow Muslims.Have they not
> > indulged and continue to indulge in senseless acts of terror in the
> > name of Islam.WHy dont you guys look into yourselves and then blame
> > others.If at all your very own are to be blamed.
> > drharun
> > chennai, India
> > Feb 14, 2010 09:49 PM
> > 9
> >
> > "Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> > aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> > frame innocent or unconnected Muslims"
> >
> > Moslems the world over( and you are evidence of it) despite Anwar's
> > laboured denials, feel that the assault on Mumbai in Nov/2008 was
> > really a conspiracy between the US, Israel/Mossad and some local Hindu
> > group( Abhinav Bharati?), who proceeded to massacre even Jewish
> > visitors to Mumbai with the idea of maligning Moslems.
> >
> > This is the level of mentality of Moslems, and the kind of mendacious
> > and irrational people India is up against.
> > Varun Shekhar
> > Toronto, CANADA
> > Feb 14, 2010 09:46 PM
> > 8
> >
> > "Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> > aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> > frame innocent or unconnected Muslims'
> >
> > Nasser
> >
> > Hadely and Rana have bare many things about the Inidam Mjuhidins .Try
> > to accept the truth.
> > a k ghai
> > mumbai, India
> > Feb 14, 2010 09:20 PM
> > 7
> >
> > http://news.rediff.c...towards-pakistan.htm
> >
> > This cannot be true. This is pure Sanghi propaganda to malign our
> > great neighbor.
> > Maha
> > NJ, United States
> > Feb 14, 2010 08:59 PM
> > 6
> >
> > An excellent article
> >
> > http://news.rediff.c...chasing-a-mirage.htm
> > Ganesan
> > Nj, USA
> > Feb 14, 2010 08:45 PM
> > 5
> >
> > Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> > aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> > frame innocent or unconnected Muslims.He deliberately kept silent on
> > the revelations of Late Kharare the honest and conscientious police
> > officer's finding of the Hindu terrorist outfits who were involved in
> > blasts in Malegoan,Samjhuta Express and in others places in
> > Maharashtra.Sangh parivar and BJP have more to gain than Pakistan in
> > these blasts.
> > nasar
> > Raleigh, USA
> > Feb 14, 2010 08:45 PM
> > 4
> >
> > A great news! Talks with Pak is still on. As CNN-IBN reports, India is
> > not going to react in a knee-jerk manner. What broadmindedness! What
> > diplomacy!!! Touche!!!! My heart melts.
> >
> > I have a question though. Why were the talks suspended after 26/11?
> > And India's position then was till the culprits are brought to
> > justice, there will be no talks as it would not be meaningful. Did the
> > govt acted in knee-jerk manner then? Or did I miss the news that the
> > culprits of 26/11 have been brought to justice?
> >
> > What a joke!!! None of the terror incidents in the last 10 years has
> > been solved. Not one terrorist who planned any of those attacks has
> > been killed in retaliation. Not one culprit who masterminded the
> > attacks have been brought to justice. Manmohan Singh goes out and
> > makes a statement(I am convinced it was a routine statement recycling
> > the old ones. He did not bother one bit about this) about bring this
> > bunch of culprits to justice as though the previous incidents have
> > been solved. The shameless media dares not ask one question.
> >
> > But why blame Manmohan or the press? People do not care one bit about
> > terrorism. And this callous, knee-jerk response is what they will get.
> > In a week, this incident will be forgotten like the hundreds before,
> > we will be praising the virtues of peace talks till the next terror
> > attack.
> >
> > And the clarion call "We will bring the culprits to
> > justice..........." (End of episode 2569. TO be continued)
> > Ganesan
> > Nj, USA
> > Feb 14, 2010 07:21 PM
> > 3
> >
> > Dear Mr Raman;
> >
> > This incident,s timing is very sensitive. It looks like a deliberate
> > attempt in stalling the proposed talks with Pakistan? If so whose
> > interests are these rouge elements serving?
> >
> > What needs to be thoroughly scrutnised is Pakistans sentimence towards
> > the talks, where they receptive or skeptical and was being forced to
> > accept the offer of talks by us , so they might want to withdraw or
> > stall the new initiatives?
> >
> > If the Pakistanis were receptive and open to the talks, were there any
> > 'strings attached'?
> >
> > Or if the Pakistanis were open hearted in their approach, whose
> > interests were the talks going to have a negative impact on?
> >
> > What were to be our gains, which might have had negative impact on
> > other's designs?
> >
> > The root might be more political and economic, as;
> >
> > a) India is heading for major arms purchase drive with billions of
> > dollars involved in the stake.
> >
> > b) An increased understanding (remotely possible) between India and
> > Pakistan and subsequent (again remotely possible) reduction of
> > anti-India activities from Pakistani soil, so India might be able to
> > concentrate more on more important issues? Like counter measures to
> > balance the threat from further north.
> >
> > c) The American intent of leaving Afgan, and the possible consequences
> > or benefits for India vis-a-vis a better relation with Pakistan, also
> > the possible losers if India were to have more amicable relations with
> > Pakistan.
> >
> > d) The Proposed gas pipelines from Iran and its future direction, if
> > ever India and Pakistan were to be on more amicable terms that the
> > present of the past.. Who stand to win and who stands to lose in this
> > regard?
> >
> > e) The recent curry bashing in Australia - which seems to be scripted
> > to strain Indo-Aussie relations? Subsequently attemting to ignite some
> > sour sentimense against India as a whole, in the heart of foreigners ,
> > especially the western world? If so whose interets would it serve?
> >
> > f) Or is this a rouge incident by other regional actors to divert
> > attention from the recent MNIK controversy?
> >
> > If we are to gain from indulging in fruitful taks with Pakistan, in
> > the long term or short term, my call is our country should pursue the
> > talks and at the same time be vigilant as ever.
> >
> > JJ Jhb-Za/Ktm
> > JJohn
> > Kottayam, India
> > Feb 14, 2010 04:58 PM
> > 2
> >
> > The timing has surely got to do with the entire focus of the
> > Maharashtra government getting concentrated firstly on Rahul Gandhi's
> > Mumbai visit,followed by the CM himself getting involved in protection
> > to showing of MNIK film.It surely is the handiwork of local Jihadis.
> > S.S.Nagaraj
> > Bangalore, India
> > Feb 14, 2010 03:22 PM
> > 1
> >
> > It is time india realised that it is a big market and people want
> > access to that. americans are practically beggars including the entire
> > west. China also wants access to indian Market.
> >
> > Use that clout and impose sanctions on anyboy who wants to sell goods
> > to India but at the same time works against our interest. There is
> > huge list of countries which can be put in that list. One such measure
> > and all of them will fall in line.
> >
> > Emmar for e.g. is just floating on Indian oxygen but Dubai keeps on
> > propping up Pakistani "interests". One such measure and Dubai will
> > fall in line.
> > vibhaas, Doha
> > vibhaas
> > Doha, qatar
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