[Reader-list] Pune: Hindutva terror?

[Pawan Durani]

Good one Javed !

This group would probably support you well for a well deserved Subject line.
Very intelligently you are trying to serve your "Deen" by using this method.

Coming from this group is no surprise , as it was this group which started
to doubt Batla House as well.

Good Going .... ..... Do i hear claps....????

I am sure , India would have many more partitions..... inflicted by 1000
cuts and the handlers  of "non state actors".

The ordinary citizens gets satisfied by candle light vigils , while ignoring
the threats in the name of "sickularism".

And for the intelligent ones....pls let me know where do i get designer
candles.....!!!

Hurt !!!

Pawan

PS : My heart cries out for all victimes , especially the brother sister
from WB.



On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pune And After
> Why The German Bakery? Why not the Chabad House or the Rajneesh
> Ashram? Why only one explosion? Why not serial explosions? Should
> India go ahead with the Feb.25 talks with Pakistan or put them on
> hold?
>
> B. Raman
> http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264301
>
> Statements and comments from home minister P.Chidambaram and officials
> indicate that the explosion in the well-known and well-frequented
> German Bakery of Pune  around 7 PM on February 13, 2010, was an act of
> terrorism. The case is under investigation by the local police and
> possibly too by the National Investigation Agency (NIA), which came
> into being after the 26/11 terrorist strikes in Mumbai. According to
> the latest information, nine persons, including one foreigner, died in
> the explosion, which appears to have been not a sophisticated one,
> that could have required any special training. The expertise involved
> could have been locally acquired. One must control the reflex to point
> an accusing finger at Pakistan.
>
> The NIA's first major investigation was into the travels and
> activities of David Coleman Headley of the Chicago cell of the
> Lashkare-Toiba (LET) and his associate    Hussain Rana, also of
> Chicago, in India to collect operational information  required for
> targeting by the LET. Some of the details collected by Headley were
> used by the LET in the 26/11 strikes in Mumbai. He had also collected
> target details about other places of interest including in New Delhi
> and Pune. These details had not been used till now though his
> interrogation by the FBI reportedly indicated that the LET was
> interested in another terrorist strike--this time in New Delhi.
>
> Among the targets of interest to Headley in Pune was the local Chabad
> House, a Jewish cultural-cum-religious centre, which is frequented by
> Jewish visitors to Pune and the local Rajneesh Ashram frequented by
> the Western followers of Rajneesh, an Indian spiritual guru, who used
> to live in the US and was the mentor of some sections of Western
> youth. Both these places reconnoitred by Headley were near the German
> Bakery, but neither of them was attacked on February 13. Instead, the
> German Bakery was targeted.
>
> Why the German Bakery? Why not the Chabad House or the Rajneesh
> Ashram? Why only one explosion? Why not serial explosions well
> orchestrated as organised by the Indian Mujahideen in Uttar Pradesh,
> Jaipur, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and New Delhi between November 2007 and
> September,2008? Is it a lone wolf terrorist strike as one saw over
> Detroit on Christmas Day when a Nigerian tried unsuccessfully to blow
> up a US plane as it was getting ready to land in Detroit or did it
> involve a team of terrorists like the 26/11? What is the significance
> of the timing? Anything to do with the forthcoming resumption of
> Indo-Pakistan dialogue on February 25? The dialogue has been under
> suspension since 26/11. Did the timing have anything to do with the
> US-UK offensive against the Afghan Taliban in the Helmand province,
> which got going on Feb.13? Is it a carry-over of the anger  against
> the Germans which Al Qaeda elements from Germany based in Pakistan's
> tribal belt have been showing since September last? Should India go
> ahead with the Feb.25 talks with Pakistan or put them on hold till a
> clear picture emerges?
>
> These are questions which have to be addressed by the NIA and the
> policy-makers in Delhi as the investigation makes headway. The Govt.
> of India should keep an open mind and look into all possibilities and
> should avoid over or hasty reactions. Reconstruction and investigation
> of the explosion should have priority and not retaliation against it.
>
> B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of
> India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical
> Studies, Chennai.
>
> COMMENTS :
>        HAVE YOUR SAY
> Feb 15, 2010 12:30 PM
> 21
>
> Maha,
>
> >> what points?
>
> The points raised in my post: "One must remember that Pune is the
> headquarters of Abhinav Bharati and Janajagruti Samiti. Previous
> blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way that the
> suspicion would fall on Muslims. Picking a location that had been
> visited by Headley would serve that purpose. In my view however it is
> more likely that the blast was the work of Indian Mujahideens or
> Pakis, but as Raman said, "The Govt. of India should keep an open mind
> and look into all possibilities and should avoid over or hasty
> reactions.""
> Anwaar
> Dallas, United States
> Feb 15, 2010 12:21 PM
> 20
>
> Varun,
>
> >> we are going to have put up with mendacity, irrationality and
> obfuscation from Islamists and just from Moslems in general who want to
> blame some Hindu group.
>
> Actually most of the mendacity, irrationality and obfuscation is from
> you side! Raman recommends, "The Govt. of India should keep an open
> mind and look into all possibilities and should avoid over or hasty
> reactions." But obviously keeping an open mind is just beyond you.
> Anwaar
> Dallas, United States
> Feb 15, 2010 10:24 AM
> 19
>
> "It is pretty obvious you have no answer to the point raised."
>
> what points ? Anyone can create a blog and write biased junk
> propaganda articles. That does not mean we have to respond them. There
> some isolated incidents with these hindu idiots and these losers are
> turning this into some kind of national conspiracy of hindu terrorism.
>
> It is interesting you have easily bought this, but still not convinced
> about ISI's involvement in terrorism in India.
> Maha
> NJ, United States
> Feb 15, 2010 10:08 AM
> 18
>
> Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu
> terrorist. I am sure likes of Vishal Arora, Ram Puniyanis, Teestas
> will be able to link it to them through their great investigative
> work.
> Maha
>
> For the next little while, we are going to have put up with mendacity,
> irrationality and obfuscation from Islamists and just from Moslems in
> general who want to blame some Hindu group for the latest attack. For
> some real beauts, check out Countercurrents.org The list of suspects
> here would include Mossad and the CIA.
> Varun Shekhar
> Toronto, CANADA
> Feb 15, 2010 09:39 AM
> 17
>
> Usual trick by the usual suspects is blame some obscure Hindu group, I
> suppose.I do not think the victims of this bomb blast will care to
> know whether local Islamist or Paki sponsored Islamist was
> responsible. Have a look at this and I totally agree with the author,
> Sandeep.
> http://www.sandeepwe...fter-and-ever-after/
> Rama
> sydney, Australia
> Feb 15, 2010 07:37 AM
> 16
>
> "Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu terrorist"
>
> I do not know about that but one thing is sure. Pakistan had
> absolutely NO hand in the incident.
> Ganesan
> Nj, USA
> Feb 15, 2010 05:19 AM
> 15
>
> Maha,
>
> >> It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu terrorist.
>
> It is pretty obvious you have no answer to the point raised.
> Anwaar
> Dallas, United States
> Feb 15, 2010 03:10 AM
> 14
>
> http://prabhuguptara...stika-terrorism.html"
>
> Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu
> terrorist. I am sure likes of Vishal Arora, Ram Puniyanis, Teestas
> will be able to link it to them through their great investigative
> work.
> Maha
> NJ, United States
> Feb 15, 2010 02:22 AM
> 13
>
> Maha,
>
> Re: "Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a
> way that the suspicion would fall on Muslims".
>
> "The police had also reportedly found Muslim taqiyahs (skullcaps) and
> fake beards in Rajkuntwar’s house."
>
> http://prabhuguptara...stika-terrorism.html
> Anwaar
> Dallas, United States
> Feb 15, 2010 01:42 AM
> 12
>
> "Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way
> that the suspicion would fall on Muslims"
>
> I agree. Most of the blasts that are suspected to be done by islamic
> terrorists are found be done by Abhinav bharatis and other hindutva
> terrorists.
> Maha
> NJ, United States
> Feb 15, 2010 01:18 AM
> 11
>
> " The Govt. of India should keep an open mind and look into all
> possibilities ...."
>
> Mr.Raman is right. Among "all possibilities" one must remember that
> Pune is the headquarters of Abhinav Bharati and Janajagruti Samiti.
> Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way
> that the suspicion would fall on Muslims. Picking a location that had
> been visited by Headley would serve that purpose.
>
> In my view however it is more likely that the blast was the work of
> Indian Mujahideens or Pakis, but as Raman said, "The Govt. of India
> should keep an open mind and look into all possibilities and should
> avoid over or hasty reactions."
> Anwaar
> Dallas, United States
> Feb 14, 2010 11:25 PM
> 10
>
> Nasser u r showing pathetic mindset.Using Malaegaon and Samjhuta to
> condone Pune is abysmal thinking and deadly dangerous.Dont know why
> are you blaming Hindus for maligning yr Fellow Muslims.Have they not
> indulged and continue to indulge in senseless acts of terror in the
> name of Islam.WHy dont you guys look into yourselves and then blame
> others.If at all your very own are to be blamed.
> drharun
> chennai, India
> Feb 14, 2010 09:49 PM
> 9
>
> "Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> frame innocent or unconnected Muslims"
>
> Moslems the world over( and you are evidence of it) despite Anwar's
> laboured denials, feel that the assault on Mumbai in Nov/2008 was
> really a conspiracy between the US, Israel/Mossad and some local Hindu
> group( Abhinav Bharati?), who proceeded to massacre even Jewish
> visitors to Mumbai with the idea of maligning Moslems.
>
> This is the level of mentality of Moslems, and the kind of mendacious
> and irrational people India is up against.
> Varun Shekhar
> Toronto, CANADA
> Feb 14, 2010 09:46 PM
> 8
>
> "Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> frame innocent or unconnected Muslims'
>
> Nasser
>
> Hadely and Rana have bare many things about the Inidam Mjuhidins .Try
> to accept the truth.
> a k ghai
> mumbai, India
> Feb 14, 2010 09:20 PM
> 7
>
> http://news.rediff.c...towards-pakistan.htm
>
> This cannot be true. This is pure Sanghi propaganda to malign our
> great neighbor.
> Maha
> NJ, United States
> Feb 14, 2010 08:59 PM
> 6
>
> An excellent article
>
> http://news.rediff.c...chasing-a-mirage.htm
> Ganesan
> Nj, USA
> Feb 14, 2010 08:45 PM
> 5
>
> Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> frame innocent or unconnected Muslims.He deliberately kept silent on
> the revelations of Late Kharare the honest and conscientious police
> officer's finding of the Hindu terrorist outfits who were involved in
> blasts in Malegoan,Samjhuta Express and in others places in
> Maharashtra.Sangh parivar and BJP have more to gain than Pakistan in
> these blasts.
> nasar
> Raleigh, USA
> Feb 14, 2010 08:45 PM
> 4
>
> A great news! Talks with Pak is still on. As CNN-IBN reports, India is
> not going to react in a knee-jerk manner. What broadmindedness! What
> diplomacy!!! Touche!!!! My heart melts.
>
> I have a question though. Why were the talks suspended after 26/11?
> And India's position then was till the culprits are brought to
> justice, there will be no talks as it would not be meaningful. Did the
> govt acted in knee-jerk manner then? Or did I miss the news that the
> culprits of 26/11 have been brought to justice?
>
> What a joke!!! None of the terror incidents in the last 10 years has
> been solved. Not one terrorist who planned any of those attacks has
> been killed in retaliation. Not one culprit who masterminded the
> attacks have been brought to justice. Manmohan Singh goes out and
> makes a statement(I am convinced it was a routine statement recycling
> the old ones. He did not bother one bit about this) about bring this
> bunch of culprits to justice as though the previous incidents have
> been solved. The shameless media dares not ask one question.
>
> But why blame Manmohan or the press? People do not care one bit about
> terrorism. And this callous, knee-jerk response is what they will get.
> In a week, this incident will be forgotten like the hundreds before,
> we will be praising the virtues of peace talks till the next terror
> attack.
>
> And the clarion call "We will bring the culprits to
> justice..........." (End of episode 2569. TO be continued)
> Ganesan
> Nj, USA
> Feb 14, 2010 07:21 PM
> 3
>
> Dear Mr Raman;
>
> This incident,s timing is very sensitive. It looks like a deliberate
> attempt in stalling the proposed talks with Pakistan? If so whose
> interests are these rouge elements serving?
>
> What needs to be thoroughly scrutnised is Pakistans sentimence towards
> the talks, where they receptive or skeptical and was being forced to
> accept the offer of talks by us , so they might want to withdraw or
> stall the new initiatives?
>
> If the Pakistanis were receptive and open to the talks, were there any
> 'strings attached'?
>
> Or if the Pakistanis were open hearted in their approach, whose
> interests were the talks going to have a negative impact on?
>
> What were to be our gains, which might have had negative impact on
> other's designs?
>
> The root might be more political and economic, as;
>
> a) India is heading for major arms purchase drive with billions of
> dollars involved in the stake.
>
> b) An increased understanding (remotely possible) between India and
> Pakistan and subsequent (again remotely possible) reduction of
> anti-India activities from Pakistani soil, so India might be able to
> concentrate more on more important issues? Like counter measures to
> balance the threat from further north.
>
> c) The American intent of leaving Afgan, and the possible consequences
> or benefits for India vis-a-vis a better relation with Pakistan, also
> the possible losers if India were to have more amicable relations with
> Pakistan.
>
> d) The Proposed gas pipelines from Iran and its future direction, if
> ever India and Pakistan were to be on more amicable terms that the
> present of the past.. Who stand to win and who stands to lose in this
> regard?
>
> e) The recent curry bashing in Australia - which seems to be scripted
> to strain Indo-Aussie relations? Subsequently attemting to ignite some
> sour sentimense against India as a whole, in the heart of foreigners ,
> especially the western world? If so whose interets would it serve?
>
> f) Or is this a rouge incident by other regional actors to divert
> attention from the recent MNIK controversy?
>
> If we are to gain from indulging in fruitful taks with Pakistan, in
> the long term or short term, my call is our country should pursue the
> talks and at the same time be vigilant as ever.
>
> JJ Jhb-Za/Ktm
> JJohn
> Kottayam, India
> Feb 14, 2010 04:58 PM
> 2
>
> The timing has surely got to do with the entire focus of the
> Maharashtra government getting concentrated firstly on Rahul Gandhi's
> Mumbai visit,followed by the CM himself getting involved in protection
> to showing of MNIK film.It surely is the handiwork of local Jihadis.
> S.S.Nagaraj
> Bangalore, India
> Feb 14, 2010 03:22 PM
> 1
>
> It is time india realised that it is a big market and people want
> access to that. americans are practically beggars including the entire
> west. China also wants access to indian Market.
>
> Use that clout and impose sanctions on anyboy who wants to sell goods
> to India but at the same time works against our interest. There is
> huge list of countries which can be put in that list. One such measure
> and all of them will fall in line.
>
> Emmar for e.g. is just floating on Indian oxygen but Dubai keeps on
> propping up Pakistani "interests". One such measure and Dubai will
> fall in line.
> vibhaas, Doha
> vibhaas
> Doha, qatar
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