[Reader-list] AMAN KI AASHA

Aditya Raj Kaul kauladityaraj at gmail.com
Fri Feb 19 00:02:47 IST 2010 

Ah! Just forgot to mention my nephew doesn't argue unnecessarily. He is a
good boy!

I am sure after reading your arrogant response that you have no idea about
'Developing Stories'. Just a Google search on it won't help you, my friend.

The PTI report wasn't merely 'news'; it was an official brief after the
event and not an 'on ground reportage'. Try and differentiate now; if you
can; and if you aren't in a hurry to respond back.

How would this incident (story) develop, I wonder!?!

Don't waste time, Mr. Chakravartty.

regards
Aditya Raj Kaul

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:05 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Aditya,
>
> I cannot but humour you my friend. Because it looks like you have not
> just used a prestigious organisation like PTI but also your friend
> Kshmendra to get into this debate, where pollute this reader's list
> with developing stories. I hope you understand what developing
> stories. This is essentially news which needs regular updation as
> contradictions are bound to rise. You are no different from any of
> these activists who you abuse in this reader's list by screaming
> democratic right to expression.
>
> I would not drag your little nephew into this debate. It is a shame
> that you are not even sparing your relatives by engaging them in a
> defense which is not needed here. All we need is to logically
> understand, break the news. You posted a news item and you thought
> your job was over, therefore I took it up upon myself to deconstruct
> it. I shared with you what i found in the way it was written to which
> you and Kshmendra turned completely blind. I am not denying that the
> attack or the incident did not happen. I have stated that over and
> over again. It is just to show that how news is being reported from
> this region and what actually happens, which nobody knows. It was just
> an attempt to understand it. Kshmendra's reservation for my comments
> was understandable. He was perhaps trying correct me for which I had
> replied that why I thought that this particular news report was little
> concocted. But look at you ... at least leave your nephew from this.
>
> -Anupam
>
>
>
>
> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Anupam,
> >
> > I wonder how can you manage contradicting yourself just so many times
> within
> > minutes. You ask me to react to your detailed understanding and then
> claim
> > the mail was meant for Kshmendra.
> >
> > Just because you regard IANS better than other newspaper/agencies doesn't
> > mean everyone must agree to the same.
> >
> > I am no one to decide what happened there. I wasn't the one to witness
> the
> > incident neither did I report it.
> >
> > Whenever I meet my 3 year old nephew, he politely asks me for a gift and
> > then says 'so you will get it soon'. ok? In hope he remains, I like
> behavior
> > of such cute kids.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:27 PM, anupam chakravartty
> > <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Aditya,
> >>
> >> The mail was meant for Kshmendra, so let's see what he has to say.
> >> Thanks for sharing the link. I think the PTI report that you have
> >> cited is not worthy enough to be believed as there is another version
> >> of the story by IANS which says the guards were tied up.
> >>
> >> Now you decide: were these guards tied up by the insurgents? or they
> >> were left unharmed? OK?
> >>
> >> -Anupam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Dear Anupam
> >> >
> >> > The first two lines of your recent e-mail on the list read as follows
> -
> >> > *
> >> > "I am sorry if you are visually impaired. I did not know this. I wish
> I
> >> > had a software by which I could read out the news report in
> question."*
> >> >
> >> > I didn't find it worth enough to read the e-mail further. The above
> >> > lines
> >> > unfortunately are applicable on your good self. I share with you the
> >> > link
> >> -
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.ptinews.com/news/521987_Militants-attack-cop-post-near-Srinagar--loot-weapons
> >> >
> >> > I don't doubt the news report. So I rest my case.
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> >
> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:13 PM, anupam chakravartty
> >> > <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Dear Aditya,
> >> >>
> >> >> I understand you are not spokesperson for PTI. I do not think PTI
> >> >> would have been really pleased with you for posting a developing
> >> >> story. More so, because I searched through PTI archives today as
> well,
> >> >> I have not found the input that was posted by you. So if you could
> >> >> kindly cooperate and state your sources here it would be very
> helpful.
> >> >>
> >> >> And I have stated why I doubt the claims made the news report in my
> >> >> reply to Kshmendra's mail. Would definitely look forward to your
> reply
> >> >> Aditya. I thank you again for sharing this with us. It speaks a lot
> >> >> about the kind of news coming out of the valley.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Anupam
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Dear Anupam,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am not a spokesperson of Press Trust of India (PTI). Does that
> >> answer
> >> >> your
> >> >> > questions?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I shared an important news item with the list; because I didn't
> want
> >> it
> >> >> to
> >> >> > be missed. How can you say I didn't follow the news; when it is me
> >> >> > who
> >> >> > shared it will the members here on Sarai!?!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think someone already has clarified your misconception or
> >> >> 'contradiction'
> >> >> > as you say. I don't think every time I am required to guide you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > While you choose to not ignore 'trash'; you should as well refrain
> >> from
> >> >> > spreading the same 'trash' and not waste our valuable time in
> useless
> >> >> > discussion.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > thanks
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM, anupam chakravartty
> >> >> > <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Dear Aditya,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It is unfortunate that you did not bother to follow an important
> >> >> >> news
> >> >> >> that you had posted on this list. Very patiently I had read it and
> >> >> >> pointed out some contradictions which you have not been able to
> >> >> >> confirm. I am afraid I had to point out these facts because you
> >> cannot
> >> >> >> say things like: '"trash' might just be of 'value' to someone else
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> the list. Even if it isn't, you can choose to ignore and not
> devalue
> >> >> >> someone's contribution to the list by calling it names." I am
> sorry
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> cannot follow your direction on choosing to ignore trash if you or
> >> >> >> anyone posts it on this list.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -Anupam
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Dear Friends
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Something Shri Shuddhabrata Sengupta calls 'trash' might just be
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> 'value'
> >> >> >> > to someone else on the list. Even if it isn't, you can choose to
> >> >> ignore
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> > not devalue someone's contribution to the list by calling it
> >> >> >> > names.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I hope the words you preach gives you the patience to take
> >> criticism
> >> >> >> > yourself which unfortunately you haven't been able to do.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > We are open to discussion, debate and criticism. But, how can we
> >> move
> >> >> >> ahead
> >> >> >> > ignoring the basic courtesy of 'freedom of one's opinion'. Or is
> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> > 'liberty' just for the moderators and not members of this forum.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > If the moderators only want their viewpoints to be followed, let
> >> them
> >> >> >> enjoy
> >> >> >> > and also please let me know so that I can back out and let one
> >> >> >> > opinion
> >> >> >> flow
> >> >> >> > in the network.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > regards
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> >> >> >> > <shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Dear Rakesh,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Of course the poem is trash. And of course any person with a
> >> >> >> >> taste
> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> trash has the right to send trash on to the list. I am not at
> all
> >> >> >> >> disputing
> >> >> >> >> the right of any person to subject us to garbage. And of course
> >> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> should
> >> >> >> >> read such things patiently. I always do.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> But, the right to send trash on to the list comes with the
> >> >> >> >> corresponding
> >> >> >> >> obligation to be prepared to be criticised for having done so.
> >> That
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> responsibility that comes with practising the freedom of
> speech.
> >>  I
> >> >> am
> >> >> >> >> always open to be criticised on this list, provided the
> criticism
> >> is
> >> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> >> defamatory or libel. I hope everyone else is as well.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> best
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Shuddha
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On 17-Feb-10, at 5:29 PM, Rakesh Iyer wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The poem is a complete trash as it completely refuses to
> >> understand
> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> >> Pakistanis are not of one kind and can't be brought under a
> >> >> >> >> single
> >> >> >> >> umbrella
> >> >> >> >> of being those who are responsible for perpetrating terrorism.
> At
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> same
> >> >> >> >> time, we should be prepared and have the patience to read and
> >> >> >> >> hear
> >> >> such
> >> >> >> >> comments. Infact, it's not our mistake. Long back, when India
> had
> >> >> >> >> chosen
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> path to be democratic, Nehru had said that India is for all.
> The
> >> end
> >> >> >> >> result
> >> >> >> >> is there for all to see. It's for all kinds of religious
> >> >> >> >> fundamentalists
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> secular humanity-oriented people who are against each other. We
> >> are
> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> nation
> >> >> >> >> of extremes and variations. So nothing wrong in writing such
> >> >> >> >> poems
> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> freedom of speech point of view.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> But yes, the poem is a trash in terms of it's content,
> >> objectively.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Rakesh
> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________
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> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> >> >> >> >> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
> >> >> >> >> Raqs Media Collective
> >> >> >> >> shuddha at sarai.net
> >> >> >> >> www.sarai.net
> >> >> >> >> www.raqsmediacollective.net
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
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