[Reader-list] AMAN KI AASHA

anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
Thu Feb 18 18:05:20 IST 2010 

Dear Aditya,

I cannot but humour you my friend. Because it looks like you have not
just used a prestigious organisation like PTI but also your friend
Kshmendra to get into this debate, where pollute this reader's list
with developing stories. I hope you understand what developing
stories. This is essentially news which needs regular updation as
contradictions are bound to rise. You are no different from any of
these activists who you abuse in this reader's list by screaming
democratic right to expression.

I would not drag your little nephew into this debate. It is a shame
that you are not even sparing your relatives by engaging them in a
defense which is not needed here. All we need is to logically
understand, break the news. You posted a news item and you thought
your job was over, therefore I took it up upon myself to deconstruct
it. I shared with you what i found in the way it was written to which
you and Kshmendra turned completely blind. I am not denying that the
attack or the incident did not happen. I have stated that over and
over again. It is just to show that how news is being reported from
this region and what actually happens, which nobody knows. It was just
an attempt to understand it. Kshmendra's reservation for my comments
was understandable. He was perhaps trying correct me for which I had
replied that why I thought that this particular news report was little
concocted. But look at you ... at least leave your nephew from this.

-Anupam




On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Anupam,
>
> I wonder how can you manage contradicting yourself just so many times within
> minutes. You ask me to react to your detailed understanding and then claim
> the mail was meant for Kshmendra.
>
> Just because you regard IANS better than other newspaper/agencies doesn't
> mean everyone must agree to the same.
>
> I am no one to decide what happened there. I wasn't the one to witness the
> incident neither did I report it.
>
> Whenever I meet my 3 year old nephew, he politely asks me for a gift and
> then says 'so you will get it soon'. ok? In hope he remains, I like behavior
> of such cute kids.
>
> regards
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:27 PM, anupam chakravartty
> <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Aditya,
>>
>> The mail was meant for Kshmendra, so let's see what he has to say.
>> Thanks for sharing the link. I think the PTI report that you have
>> cited is not worthy enough to be believed as there is another version
>> of the story by IANS which says the guards were tied up.
>>
>> Now you decide: were these guards tied up by the insurgents? or they
>> were left unharmed? OK?
>>
>> -Anupam
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Anupam
>> >
>> > The first two lines of your recent e-mail on the list read as follows -
>> > *
>> > "I am sorry if you are visually impaired. I did not know this. I wish I
>> > had a software by which I could read out the news report in question."*
>> >
>> > I didn't find it worth enough to read the e-mail further. The above
>> > lines
>> > unfortunately are applicable on your good self. I share with you the
>> > link
>> -
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.ptinews.com/news/521987_Militants-attack-cop-post-near-Srinagar--loot-weapons
>> >
>> > I don't doubt the news report. So I rest my case.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>> > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:13 PM, anupam chakravartty
>> > <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Aditya,
>> >>
>> >> I understand you are not spokesperson for PTI. I do not think PTI
>> >> would have been really pleased with you for posting a developing
>> >> story. More so, because I searched through PTI archives today as well,
>> >> I have not found the input that was posted by you. So if you could
>> >> kindly cooperate and state your sources here it would be very helpful.
>> >>
>> >> And I have stated why I doubt the claims made the news report in my
>> >> reply to Kshmendra's mail. Would definitely look forward to your reply
>> >> Aditya. I thank you again for sharing this with us. It speaks a lot
>> >> about the kind of news coming out of the valley.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Anupam
>> >>
>> >> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Dear Anupam,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am not a spokesperson of Press Trust of India (PTI). Does that
>> answer
>> >> your
>> >> > questions?
>> >> >
>> >> > I shared an important news item with the list; because I didn't want
>> it
>> >> to
>> >> > be missed. How can you say I didn't follow the news; when it is me
>> >> > who
>> >> > shared it will the members here on Sarai!?!
>> >> >
>> >> > I think someone already has clarified your misconception or
>> >> 'contradiction'
>> >> > as you say. I don't think every time I am required to guide you.
>> >> >
>> >> > While you choose to not ignore 'trash'; you should as well refrain
>> from
>> >> > spreading the same 'trash' and not waste our valuable time in useless
>> >> > discussion.
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM, anupam chakravartty
>> >> > <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dear Aditya,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It is unfortunate that you did not bother to follow an important
>> >> >> news
>> >> >> that you had posted on this list. Very patiently I had read it and
>> >> >> pointed out some contradictions which you have not been able to
>> >> >> confirm. I am afraid I had to point out these facts because you
>> cannot
>> >> >> say things like: '"trash' might just be of 'value' to someone else
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> the list. Even if it isn't, you can choose to ignore and not devalue
>> >> >> someone's contribution to the list by calling it names." I am sorry
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> cannot follow your direction on choosing to ignore trash if you or
>> >> >> anyone posts it on this list.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Anupam
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Dear Friends
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Something Shri Shuddhabrata Sengupta calls 'trash' might just be
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> 'value'
>> >> >> > to someone else on the list. Even if it isn't, you can choose to
>> >> ignore
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> > not devalue someone's contribution to the list by calling it
>> >> >> > names.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I hope the words you preach gives you the patience to take
>> criticism
>> >> >> > yourself which unfortunately you haven't been able to do.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We are open to discussion, debate and criticism. But, how can we
>> move
>> >> >> ahead
>> >> >> > ignoring the basic courtesy of 'freedom of one's opinion'. Or is
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > 'liberty' just for the moderators and not members of this forum.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If the moderators only want their viewpoints to be followed, let
>> them
>> >> >> enjoy
>> >> >> > and also please let me know so that I can back out and let one
>> >> >> > opinion
>> >> >> flow
>> >> >> > in the network.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > regards
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> >> >> > <shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Dear Rakesh,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Of course the poem is trash. And of course any person with a
>> >> >> >> taste
>> >> for
>> >> >> >> trash has the right to send trash on to the list. I am not at all
>> >> >> >> disputing
>> >> >> >> the right of any person to subject us to garbage. And of course
>> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> >> read such things patiently. I always do.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> But, the right to send trash on to the list comes with the
>> >> >> >> corresponding
>> >> >> >> obligation to be prepared to be criticised for having done so.
>> That
>> >> is
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> responsibility that comes with practising the freedom of speech.
>>  I
>> >> am
>> >> >> >> always open to be criticised on this list, provided the criticism
>> is
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> defamatory or libel. I hope everyone else is as well.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> best
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Shuddha
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 17-Feb-10, at 5:29 PM, Rakesh Iyer wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The poem is a complete trash as it completely refuses to
>> understand
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> Pakistanis are not of one kind and can't be brought under a
>> >> >> >> single
>> >> >> >> umbrella
>> >> >> >> of being those who are responsible for perpetrating terrorism. At
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> same
>> >> >> >> time, we should be prepared and have the patience to read and
>> >> >> >> hear
>> >> such
>> >> >> >> comments. Infact, it's not our mistake. Long back, when India had
>> >> >> >> chosen
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> path to be democratic, Nehru had said that India is for all. The
>> end
>> >> >> >> result
>> >> >> >> is there for all to see. It's for all kinds of religious
>> >> >> >> fundamentalists
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> secular humanity-oriented people who are against each other. We
>> are
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> nation
>> >> >> >> of extremes and variations. So nothing wrong in writing such
>> >> >> >> poems
>> >> from
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> freedom of speech point of view.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> But yes, the poem is a trash in terms of it's content,
>> objectively.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Rakesh
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>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> >> >> >> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>> >> >> >> Raqs Media Collective
>> >> >> >> shuddha at sarai.net
>> >> >> >> www.sarai.net
>> >> >> >> www.raqsmediacollective.net
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Freelance Writer
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>> >> >
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>> >> >
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>> >> >
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>> >
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>> >
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> Aditya Raj Kaul
>
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>
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