[Reader-list] Marxism Exposed: How Labour And The Tories Are Destroying Britain

[Pawan Durani]

Dear All ,

I am delighted ....as well.

I had thought that Shuddha may well use some of ethics , but he chose not to.

I have shared an article on the forum and no where have i mentioned
that I either "Endrose" it or "Agree" with what has been written. I
havent even mentioned that i do not disagree with it either. This was
an article which i though worth sharing and may be educative for some.

If by going by same standards , I wonder why Shuddha had not not
blamed Javed for believing in Hindus behind Pune blast , as Javed had
also shared an article.

I can imagine Shuddha getting hurt when a dead ideology gets exposed ,
or when an appeased one is not appeased again.


I do not wish to have a debate on right or wrong with a person who
maintain double standards

Pawan.



On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
<shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> Dear All,
> I am delighted by Pawan Durani's endorsement and quotation from a website -
>  www.greenarrow.co.uk -  that declares its mission to be to -
>  "...unoffiically support the British National Party in their fight to
> secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North
> Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia."
> The British National Party, as is well known (though perhaps not to Mr.
> Durani) is the far right wing fascist party that wants a 'whites only'
> United Kingdom. Had Pawan Durani happened to be a hard working Asian Migrant
> in Britain, then, he would know that the BNP are the ones who control the
> thugs that subject all asians and all people of colour in Britain to racist
> abuse, and indeed violent attacks. To the BNP's not very nuanced form of
> politics, Mr. Durani's protestations, were he a South Asian immigrant
> subjected to their attacks, that maybe he hates muslims as much as they do,
> would not hold much water. For the BNP's cadre, even Mr. Durani, because he
> is a South Asian of colour, would only be a "Paki". The BNP, the Shiv Sena
> and needless to say, the Lashkar-e-Toiba, share the same view about those
> who happen not to agree with them, or to pollute their understanding of
> 'pure' homelands. It is indeed wonderful to see Mr. Durani in such august
> company. I have always maintained that someday the Hindutva hard right will
> understand that their natural allies are the KKK and Islamist
> fundamentalists. Perhaps Mr. Durani is a beacon of this dawning
> understanding.
> What is even more interesting is that Mr. Durani has offered for our perusal
> a long tract that along with suggesting that the Labour and the Conservative
> Parties in the UK are currently controlled by Marxists (how I wish this were
> true) also suggests that Marx and Engels were racist holocaust promoters
> (Note that the BNP's self confessed racism and its known, persistent,
> flirtation with holocaust deniers and neo-nazis in Europe is left
> uncommented on).
> Marx and Engels, in their necessary polemics against the deeply anti-semitic
> and reactionary elements within Slav nationalism did perhaps use some
> regrettable and sweeping expressions. As someone sympathetic to the vision
> and politics of Karl Marx, I have no hesitation in critquing them, and in
> seeing within them traces of the provincial markers of Marx and Engels' own
> intellectual formations. Marx and Engels are not and were not gods who could
> do no wrong. They were fallible and interesting human beings with their own
> prejudices and quirks, (many of which changed during their lifetimes).
> We have to ask, however, whether Marx and Engels remained wedded to these
> sentiments throughout their lives. Both became champions of the liberty of
> colonially subjugated peoples, in India and Ireland, for instance, (even
> though Marx might have, contrary to his own sympathies, condemned Indian
> societies to the 'refuse of history' ) without falling prey to Nationalism,
> and Marx, more so than Engels was able to distance himself from some of his
> more extreme cultural prejudices, prejudices, which were indeed commonplace
> in the milieu in which they found themselves, in Victorian Britain and
> nineteenth century Europe.
>  But to put their remarks in proper context, what Marx, and more
> specifically Engels meant by the deployment of the 'Ethnic Trash',
> (volkerabfall) term - was that the matter of 'national' interest and the
> 'nationality question' in Europe, especially as it played out in Eastern
> Europe was a divisive and reactionary brand of politics that sought to
> divide European Workers on the basis of their racial and ethnic origins.
> Slav Nationalists were at the foreground of the anti-semitic pogroms that
> swept through Eastern Europe in the nineteenth century, and it was perhaps
> in this context that Marx and Engels made their pronouncements. Bakunin,
> Marx's adversary in the First International, was able to combine his
> laudable anarchism, with an unfortunately venomous anti-semitic streak, and
> the polemics against Bakunin, do give Marx and Engels an unfortunate and
> shrill edge.
> Having said this, it is equally important to recognize, that Marx himself
> came to recognize the slav traditions of the rural peasant commune in Russia
> as providing perhaps a means to bypass Capitalism on the way to a Communist
> future. (See his draft of a letter to Vera Zasulich at -
>  http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/03/zasulich1.htm - ). While
> Marx's estimation of the Slav traditions of peasant communism may have been
> an 'over-estimation' at least they demonstrate that he held the traditions
> of the peoples he had himself once thought to have been 'refuse of history'
> (which would be the more accuate gloss of terms like Volkerabfall) in high
> regard.
> Mr. Durani's anti-marx prejudice seems to have been acquired under some
> special circumstances, because he swings from one extreme to another, in
> exhibiting it. Right now, he has tried, with the help of the fascist BNP's
> unofficial supporters, that Marx was racist. Not so long ago, however, he
> had himself (perhaps unwittingly) become the vehicle for the transmission of
> the classic anti-semitiic (anti-Jewish) slur against Karl Marx.
> Not many may remember, but I do, that on the 15th of November, 2008, Mr.
> Durani, apropos of Karl Marx, had written, in this very list, the following
> gem.
> "We do not live inside some mind like that of Karl Marx and the occultist
> elite who funded him (Satanic Rothschild Dynasty ). We live in a real
> world."
> [ See -
> http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2008-November/016614.html ]
> In response to that slur, I had composed a brief (and alas, unsent) riposte
> to Mr. Durani, which I now offer for all your entertainment.  Please enjoy,
> but while doing so, remember how, Pawan Durani can suddenly be a bleeding
> heart liberal (without any irony) in the company of the racist BNP one day,
> and a sly anti-semite on another occasion. I marvel at his versatility and
> his flexibility. Perhaps it comes from not having to be bothered by the
> inconvenience of an ethical spine.
> best
> Shuddha
>
> "I have heard many really low down and colourful anti-semitic jibes in my
> life. But the one about Karl Marx being funded by the 'satanic' Rothschild
> family takes the cake. I am absolutely delighted that Pawan Durani has
> offered us this rich serving of tripe. The 'frisson' of this rumour of
> course has to do with the fact that both Karl Marx and the Rothschilds were
> Jewish by birth. I am familiar with this story, as I am and have been a keen
> observer of right wing esoterica both on the internet and beyond it, and the
> 'Marx-Rothschild-Jewish-Communist' Plot to take over the universe has a long
> and distinguished pedigree on the outer fringes of the loony right.
> This rumour circulates widely amongst virulntly anti-semitic Christian
> Evangelical websites (whom Pawan Durani may or many not be so comfortable
> with,as they are not known for being nice to Hindus, and also amongst the
> higher echelons of the followers of Mahmoud Ahmedinijad, though here it is
>  generally found in Farsi), and indeed, is to be found in Ku Klux Klan
> literature. All of is apparently based on accounts of two 'cheques' in the
> British Museum which show that Marx was paid by the Rothschild to destroy
> the world as we know it. Marx received some stipends from a distant relative
> of his who had links with the family that founded the Phillips engineering
> corporation. And of course he was supported by his friend and comrade
> Friedrich Engels, whose income derived from the operations of his family
> firm in Manchester.
> The 'Marx-Rothschild Fuding' rumour is said to have originated in the
> pre-firing squad confessions of the dissident Bolshevik Rakovsky to Stalin's
> secret police, the NVKD, and was then circulated, first in Francoist circles
> in Latin America and Spain, before taking a new life on the internet. This
> is a wonderfully surreal world, with born again Christians, Stalinists,
> occultists of a discreetly Nazi persuasion, KKKites, Ahmedinijad supporters
> and anti-semites graced now by the company of none other than our very own
> Pawan Durani. If the sad day of a Hindutva-Stalinist takeover of India were
> ever to arrive, then I would hope that delirious repetitions of rumours
> first circulated about  on the Reader List by people desparate to say
> anything to escape the cold end of a pistol's nozzle do not land me in
> trouble.
> I had better take care, before Pawan or his zealot friends discover my
> jewish great aunt Rahel's address in some remote Kolkata bylane, and having
> done so, furnish an updated edition of the 'Protocol of the Elders of Zion'
> to state that I (nothing other than a diluted Jew)  the ghost of those
> devious Jews Karl Marx and Leon Trotsky, the current wife of Amartya Sen
> (none other than Emma Rothschild, "Oh my god, they got him the nobel prize"
> and everyone knows that Amartya Sen hates hindutva) are party to the
> conspiracy to destroy the planet. Perhaps the details of this would include
> speculations about whether or not I 'recieved' ghost money from the ghost of
> Marx, sourced from the ghost of Rothschilds.
> Did I hear someone say that global warming was a crypto Jewish-Marxist-plot
> in league with giant lizard aliens, and that yesterday's patriotic Indian
> mission to the moon, was only the first salvo in the galactic war against
> global warming, which is actually produced by the swarming of anti-national
> elements on the internet, which somehow produces lunar currents, which in
> turn leads to global warming.
> No, I didn't.
> But if we are to believe Pawan Durani on Marx and the Rothschild's we might
> as well prepare ourselves to believe this too.
> regards,
> Shuddha"
>
> ------
>
> On 20-Feb-10, at 2:06 PM, Pawan Durani wrote:
>
> Part One: Birth Of The New Man
> Introduction
> Something is wrong with Great Britain and Western Civilisation. Badly
> wrong. Imagine, if you will, that the brave warriors who fought to
> preserve Great Britain from tyranny during the Second World War have
> been resurrected and allowed to visit modern day Britain to see for
> themselves the fruits of their sacrifice.
>
>
> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
> Raqs Media Collective
> shuddha at sarai.net
> www.sarai.net
> www.raqsmediacollective.net
>
>