[Reader-list] AMAN KI AASHA

Sun Feb 21 18:29:52 IST 2010

Dear Durani JI,
                It seems to me an innocuous message from the poem that some people from the neighbouring country hurl bombs at us and we don't retaliate. Even with a couple of times readings, I don't get the message what Mr Sengupta is trying to imply.There is a saying in Punjabi when a MIL wants to scold her DIL and does not find a valid reason to do so she would say" Atta gundhate hue hilti kyon hai tu." meaning "Why do you move your body when kneading flour".No sceptics for anyone intended please.
Regards, 
(A.K.MALIK)


--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] AMAN KI AASHA
> To: "Shuddhabrata Sengupta" <shuddha at sarai.net>
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 12:00 AM
> I wish some people understood poetry
> .....
> 
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> <shuddha at sarai.net>
> wrote:
> > Aditya,
> >
> > Are you, or the 16 year-old Sakshi, whose juvenilia
> you have
> > subjected us to, implying that in your 'padosi ke
> ghar' (neighbouring
> > house - a not so veiled reference to the neighbouring
> country,
> > Pakistan) children play with bombs?
> >
> > For the sake of our -Hindi speaking readers, the
> 'poem' by '16 year
> > old Sakshi' that Aditya Raj Kaul has now sent us -
> translates,
> > (roughly) as follows. I have read this poem very
> carefully. I take
> > very serious objection to the fact that it suggests
> that Pakistani
> > children are in some ways responsible for terrorist
> atrocities in
> > India, specificially, in Pune.
> >
> > "...In my neighbour's house
> > children play with bombs,
> > and in mine, they play with a ball
> > everyday, just like this, they play with pleasure
> > sometimes, the balls finds their way into their house
> > and their bombs find their way into mine
> > this is what happened yesterday @ Pune
> > they don't give us back our balls
> > we don't give them back their bombs
> > they are fortunate...
> > and we...."
> >
> > Seriously Aditya, get a life, at least do not stoop so
> low as to
> > imply, with this disgusting piece of innuendo, that
> Pakistani
> > children are terrorists.
> >
> > At least let us leave children alone.
> >
> > Enraged and horrified at the amoral, cynical abyss
> that you inhabit,
> > and that too at a relatively young age.
> >
> > Shuddha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20-Feb-10, at 1:57 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul wrote:
> >
> >> Mr. Vij,
> >>
> >> I campaigned on roads with public, so media came
> out to support. I
> >> felt the
> >> brunt of this; as cases were slapped against me
> for protesting.
> >> When you
> >> can't argue Mr. Vij, you attack 'activists'
> personally on public
> >> forums such
> >> as these.
> >>
> >> My campaign however wasn't discussed in the Board
> meeting of some
> >> Multi-National Company. My campaign didn't have
> commercials on
> >> television,
> >> radio and newspapers.
> >>
> >> It seems you are an expert on 'selling' campaigns.
> Wonder how that
> >> happens!
> >> Have you shifted your profession lately? Please do
> explain to us list
> >> members in detail.
> >>
> >> Don't mix issues without thinking. It becomes
> cheap.
> >>
> >> As the moderators have the liberty to trash a
> value addition to the
> >> list. So
> >> do I have the right to counter 'trash' and
> 'propaganda' on this list.
> >>
> >> Dear Shuddhaji
> >>
> >> A 16 year of Sakshi sent me these lines a couple
> of days back -
> >>
> >> मेरे पड़ोस वाले घर
> में ,
> >> बच्चे बम से खेलते
> है...
> >>
> >> और मेरे बच्चे यहाँ
> गेंद
> >> से...
> >>
> >> हर रोज़ युही मज़े
> से
> >> खेलते है..
> >>
> >> अक्सर गेंद उनके घर
> में
> >> जाती है..
> >>
> >> और उनके बम मेरे घर
> में
> >> आते है...
> >>
> >> कल भी एसा ही दिन था,
> @pune
> >>
> >> पडोसी गेंद लोटाते
> नहीं,
> >>
> >> और हम भी उनके बम
> लोटाते
> >> नहीं ...
> >>
> >> वो खुश किस्मत है ...
> >>
> >> और हम ....
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
> >> Aditya Raj Kaul
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Shivam Vij
> शिवम्
> >> विज्
> >> <mail at shivamvij.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Shri Aditya Raj Kaulji has for some weeks now
> been telling the world
> >>> about how Aman ki Asha has to do with m-words
> like "media
> >>> market-management". Has he no sense of irony?
> he, the master of
> >>> "media
> >>> market-managment" campaigns of various causes?
> Jab tumhara campaign
> >>> bikta hai toh peace, kisi aur ka toh market?
> Kuch to sharam karon.
> >>>
> >>> On 17 February 2010 17:21, Aditya Raj Kaul
> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Dear Shri Shuddhabrata Senguptaji
> >>>>
> >>>> Namaskar
> >>>>
> >>>> I have merely forwarded a reaction from a
> common Indian to the
> >>>> recent
> >>>> developments of 'Aman Ki Asha' around. I
> can see you agitated.
> >>>> Wonder
> >>> what
> >>>> makes you so uncomfortable! Is it the
> truth of Islamic-terrorism
> >>>> or the
> >>>> engagement politics and media
> market-management of Peace?
> >>>>
> >>>> It hardly matters to me how a godamn 'My
> Name Is Khan' does at
> >>>> the box
> >>>> office. I condenm the protests against it.
> However, terrorism
> >>>> matters to
> >>> me
> >>>> and every Indian not how much money a
> producer makes out of made-up
> >>>> publicity. We don't want protection of a
> bloody movie; we want
> >>>> security
> >>> for
> >>>> citizens of this country.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have yet again displayed intolerance
> and abused my right to
> >>> participate
> >>>> in this so called 'Liberal' forum. I am
> not facing this for the
> >>>> first
> >>> time.
> >>>> It has become usual for me. Wonder if I
> calculate the wastage of
> >>>> time to
> >>> us
> >>>> by some of the rhetoric of far extremist,
> intolerant and left
> >>>> lunatic
> >>>> fringe.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have tolerance in letter and spirit. We
> have heard enough of your
> >>>> fake
> >>> Batla
> >>>> House and several other such theories.
> What happened to them, if
> >>>> I may
> >>> ask?
> >>>>
> >>>> Pakistan is suffering from something which
> it initiated decades
> >>>> ago. It
> >>> will
> >>>> continue to burn. I never objected to
> views from Pakistani
> >>>> public. Though
> >>>> Kashmir can never be on dialogue table
> with Pakistan. Nor can it
> >>>> be with
> >>>> terrorists who some glorify in this
> forum.
> >>>>
> >>>> Congrats to you and other co-founders of
> Sarai, which completed a
> >>>> decade
> >>>> recently. I pray for more, patience,
> tolerance and flow of rational
> >>> thought
> >>>> to the Sarai.
> >>>>
> >>>> And hope you hold/delete/block less/none
> of our e-mails from now
> >>>> onwards.
> >>>> Even that may be abuse of liberty,
> something you are very well
> >>>> versed
> >>> with
> >>>> yourself.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't want this this to turn into a
> relay e-mail exchange as has
> >>> happened
> >>>> in the past.
> >>>>
> >>>> regards
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/2/17 Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Aditya,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I regret that you have once again
> abused the space of liberty on
> >>>>> this
> >>> list
> >>>>> by forwarding this idiotic poem, which
> I have wasted my time by
> >>>>> reading.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am normally not a fan of the Times
> of India, or the Jang Group of
> >>>>> Newspapers, but, I have to say, that
> the steady stream of
> >>>>> opposition
> >>> that
> >>>>> their 'Aman Ki Asha' initiative seems
> to be gathering from the
> >>>>> usual
> >>>>> suspects makes me even more interested
> in what the 'Aman ki Asha'
> >>> initiative
> >>>>> is all about. I sincerely hope that it
> sets a trend, and that other
> >>> media
> >>>>> corporations and other agencies mirror
> it by setting up their own
> >>>>> initiatives for sustaining the
> resources of peace in South Asia,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> especially between India and Pakistan,
> in these difficult times.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having tasted a bitter defeat after
> attempting their thuggery on
> >>>>> the 'My
> >>>>> Name is Khan' issue, the lunatic right
> is now seeking a
> >>>>> fruitless second
> >>>>> wind, by riding the waves of the
> regrettable bomb blast that
> >>>>> occured in
> >>> the
> >>>>> German Bakery in Pune. Your effort to
> surf this wave is
> >>>>> pathetic. The
> >>>>> xenophobia agenda is dead and buried,
> and no amount of impotent
> >>>>> roaring
> >>> from
> >>>>> Matoshtree will make it walk again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I find the poem that you sent,
> strongly objectionable, because
> >>>>> it makes
> >>> no
> >>>>> attempt to distinguish between
> different kinds of opinion and
> >>>>> publics in
> >>>>> Pakistan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The poem says -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dilli, Mumbai Ahemdabad ne, jab ki thi
> jaane qurbaan,
> >>>>> man hi man khush hote they, yahi paki
> haiwan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For those who do not understand Hindi.
> These lines can be
> >>>>> translated as
> >>>>> follows -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "When in Delhi, Mumbai and Ahmedabad,
> lives were sacrificed
> >>>>> In their hearts, Paki monsters
> rejoiced"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am aware of the fact that time and
> again, whenever terrorist
> >>> atrocities
> >>>>> occur in India, a significant section
> of Pakistani political
> >>>>> society
> >>> condemn
> >>>>> acts of terrorism in no uncertain
> terms.  Many people in India
> >>>>> do the
> >>> same
> >>>>> when terrorism occurs in Pakistan. To
> lump all Pakistanis (or
> >>>>> for that
> >>>>> matter, all Indians) as 'monsters' who
> 'rejoice in their hearts'
> >>>>> when
> >>> loss
> >>>>> of life occurs, is disgusting. I find
> your endorsement of this
> >>> disgusting
> >>>>> sentiment shameful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a very strong body of public
> opinion in Pakistan that
> >>>>> wants
> >>> peace
> >>>>> in South Asia, and realizes that peace
> is the only way forward in
> >>> Pakistan.
> >>>>> They act vigilantly against
> war-mongers and preachers of
> >>>>> prejudice in
> >>>>> Pakistan, exactly as many of us act
> vigilantly against the
> >>>>> constituency
> >>> that
> >>>>> advocates permanent aggression here.
> That includes our vigilance
> >>>>> against
> >>>>> your hate filled agenda.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whenever an atrocity like what
> happened in Pune occurs, I find
> >>>>> that the
> >>>>> constituency of rabid right-wing
> nationalism comes crawling out
> >>>>> like
> >>> maggots
> >>>>> to feast on the dead. As if they were
> waiting for tragedy to
> >>>>> strike to
> >>> once
> >>>>> again find their reason for
> existence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have none of these people any shame?
> Have you none at all?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Shuddha
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 17-Feb-10, at 1:07 PM, Aditya Raj
> Kaul wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
> ----------
> >>>>> From: Irma Razdan
> >>>>> Date: 2010/2/17
> >>>>> Subject: Fwd: AMAN KI AASHA
> >>>>> To:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For my Hindi speaking followers, this
> is a poem that was
> >>>>> authored by a
> >>> mod
> >>>>> of a forum which is my frequent haunt.
> It is a take on the
> >>>>> recent 'Aman
> >>> ki
> >>>>> Asha' program by the Times of India
> and Jang group of Pakistan,
> >>>>> which is
> >>>>> supposed to be an Indo-Pak peace
> project. Newbies, please refer
> >>>>> to link.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> घर घर में आज
> जगती है, हर
> >>>>> सुबह अमन की
> आशा,
> >>>>> टाइम्स ऑफ
> इंडिया और
> >>>>> दैनिक जंग का,
> देखो नया
> >>>>> तमाशा,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> पीठ में ख़ंजर
> भोंका
> >>>>> जिनने, मानवता
> को ही छला,
> >>>>> आज बोलते चले
> हैं वोही,
> >>>>> कैसी शांति की
> भाषा,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ज़मीन के लालच
> को धर्म
> >>>>> का मुखौटा
> पहना,
> >>>>> जिन जल्लादों
> ने छीना
> >>>>> भारत माँ का
> गहना,
> >>>>> आज उन्ही से
> रखनी होगी,
> >>>>> हमको प्रेम की
> अभिलाषा
> >>>>> वाह रे टाइम्स
> ऑफ
> >>>>> इंडिया, क्या
> खूब है तेरी
> >>>>> आशा.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> देखो कैप्टन
> कालिया,
> >>>>> ऐसा हुआ आपका
> बलिदान,
> >>>>> आज अफ़ज़ल गुरु
> और क़सब
> >>>>> को शायद मिल
> जाये जीवनदान,
> >>>>> छब्बीस-ग्यारह
> दोहराने
> >>>>> को बेचैन हैं
> जिनके
> >>>>> जेहादी,
> >>>>> दोस्ती का राग
> सुना रहे,
> >>>>> वही कियानी,
> ज़रदारी और
> >>>>> गीलानी,
> >>>>> कौआ चले हंस की
> चाल, देखो
> >>>>> इनकी मीठी
> भाषा,
> >>>>> हमें दोस्ती का
> पाठ
> >>>>> पढ़ाएंगे, अब
> सूजा अहमद
> >>>>> पाशा.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> हमारे अपने
> नेताओं ने,
> >>>>> देश को भी नहीं
> बख़्शा
> >>>>> नपुंसक से भी
> कम पौरुष
> >>>>> जिनमें, वो
> करेंगे देश की
> >>>>> रक्षा?
> >>>>> बातचीत के
> ज़रिये ये,
> >>>>> मिटा देंगे
> सारे भेद
> >>>>> आधा कश्मीर
> खोने का,
> >>>>> इनको ज़रा नहीं
> खेद,
> >>>>> राष्ट्र को
> किया
> >>>>> लज्जित, दी
> शर्म-अल-
> >>>>> शेख़ में
> निराशा,
> >>>>> समझे नहीं हम
> किसने लिखी
> >>>>> आख़िर उस
> दस्तावेज़ की
> >>>>> भाषा.
> >>>>> कब तक जयचंदों
> को जनती
> >>>>> रहेगी हे माता!
> >>>>> कब तक तेरे
> बच्चों को
> >>>>> होती रहेगी
> हताशा,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> आतंकवाद की आग
> में जब जल
> >>>>> रहा है
> पाकिस्तान,
> >>>>> ऐसी हालत में
> इनके
> >>>>> हृदय में जागा
> है इंसान,
> >>>>> दिल्ली मुंबई
> अहमदाबाद
> >>>>> ने जब की थीं
> जानें
> >>>>> क़ुर्बान,
> >>>>> मन ही मन खुश
> होते थे यही
> >>>>> पाकी हैवान,
> >>>>> देखो
> भारतवासियों, रखना
> >>>>> इतना ध्यान,
> >>>>>
> राष्ट्रभक्तों के हाथ
> >>>>> में ही सदा
> देना तुम कमान,
> >>>>> झूठे
> धर्म-निरपक्षों से
> >>>>> रहना तुम
> सावधान,
> >>>>> वोट बैंक बनकर
> कभी मत
> >>>>> करना मतदान.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> बोस, पटेल,
> सावरकर ने,
> >>>>> जिस देश को है
> तराशा,
> >>>>> लूट ना ले उसको
> फिर, यह
> >>>>> झूठी अमन की
> आशा.
> >>>>> घर घर में आज
> जगती है, हर
> >>>>> सुबह अमन की
> आशा,
> >>>>> टाइम्स ऑफ
> इंडिया और
> >>>>> दैनिक जंग का,
> देखो नया
> >>>>> तमाशा.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> English Transliteration:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aman Ki Aasha
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ghar ghar mein aaj jagti hai, har
> subah aman ki aasha,
> >>>>> Times of India aur dainik Jang ka,
> dekho naya tamaasha,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peeth mein khanjar bhonka jinnay,
> manavta ko hi chhala,
> >>>>> aaj bolte chale hain wohi, kaisi
> shanti ki bhaasha,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> zameen ke lalach ko dharm ka mukhauta
> pehna,
> >>>>> jin jallado ne chhena, Bharat Maa ka
> gehna,
> >>>>> aaj unhi se rakhni hogi, hamko prem ki
> abhilaasha,
> >>>>> wah re Times of India, kya khoob hai
> teri Aasha.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dekho Captain Kalia, aisa hua aapka
> balidaan,
> >>>>> Aaj Afzal Guru aur Qasab ko, shayad
> mil jaaye jeevandaan,
> >>>>> Chhabees-Gyarah (26/11) dohraanay ko,
> bechain hain jinkay jehadi,
> >>>>> hame dosti ka raag sunaa rahey, wohi
> Kiani, Zardari aur Gilani
> >>>>> Kawwa chale hans ki chaal, dekho inki
> meethi bhaasha,
> >>>>> hamen dosti ka paath padhayenge, ab
> Sooja Ahmed Pasha.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hamare apne netao ne, desh ko bhi nahi
> baksha,
> >>>>> Napunsak se bhi kam pourush jinme, woh
> karenge desh ki raksha?
> >>>>> baatcheet ke zariye ye, mitaa denge
> saare bhed,
> >>>>> aadha Kashmir khoney ka, inko zara
> nahi khed,
> >>>>> Rashtra ko kiya lajjit, di
> Sharm-Al-Shekh mein niraasha,
> >>>>> samjhe nahin hum kisnay likhi , aakhir
> us dastavez ki bhasha.
> >>>>> Kab tak Jaichando ko janti rahegi he
> maata,
> >>>>> Kab tak tere bachcho ko, hoti rahegi
> hataasha.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Atankwaad ki aag mein, jab jal raha
> hai Pakistan,
> >>>>> Aisi halat mein inke hriday mein,
> jaaga hai insaan,
> >>>>> Dilli, Mumbai Ahemdabad ne, jab ki thi
> jaane qurbaan,
> >>>>> man hi man khush hote they, yahi paki
> haiwan.
> >>>>> Dekho Bharat vasiyon, rakhna itna
> dhyan,
> >>>>> Rashtrabhakto ke haath mein hi, sada
> dana tum kamaan,
> >>>>> Jhoothey dharm-nirpayksho se, rehna
> tom saavdhaan,
> >>>>> vote bank bankar kabhi, mat karna
> matdaan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bose, Patel, Savarkar ne, jis desh ko
> hai taraasha,
> >>>>> loot na le usko phir, yeh jhooti aman
> ki aasha.
> >>>>> Ghar ghar mein aaj jagti hai, har
> subah aman ki aasha,
> >>>>> Times of India aur dainik Jang ka,
> dekho naya tamaasha.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Courtsey : Kumpal Madrasi
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> _________________________________________
> >>>>> reader-list: an open discussion list
> on media and the city.
> >>>>> Critiques & Collaborations
> >>>>> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net
> with
> >>>>> subscribe in the subject header.
> >>>>> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
> >>>>> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> >>>>> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
> >>>>> Raqs Media Collective
> >>>>> shuddha at sarai.net
> >>>>> www.sarai.net
> >>>>> www.raqsmediacollective.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Aditya Raj Kaul
> >>>>
> >>>> Freelance Writer
> >>>>
> >>>> Blog: http://activistsdiary.blogspot.com/
> >>>> _________________________________________
> >>>> reader-list: an open discussion list on
> media and the city.
> >>>> Critiques & Collaborations
> >>>> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net
> with
> >>> subscribe in the subject header.
> >>>> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
> >>>> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
> >>>
> >> _________________________________________
> >> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and
> the city.
> >> Critiques & Collaborations
> >> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net
> with
> >> subscribe in the subject header.
> >> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
> >> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
> >
> > Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> > The Sarai Programme at CSDS
> > Raqs Media Collective
> > shuddha at sarai.net
> > www.sarai.net
> > www.raqsmediacollective.net
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________
> > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the
> city.
> > Critiques & Collaborations
> > To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net
> with subscribe in the subject header.
> > To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
> > List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
> _________________________________________
> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the
> city.
> Critiques & Collaborations
> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net
> with subscribe in the subject header.
> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list 
> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>