[Reader-list] AMAN KI AASHA

Sun Feb 21 18:32:51 IST 2010

Malik Saab

"No sceptics for anyone intended please." Iska matlab kya hai? Thoda samjhayenge

anupam

On 2/21/10, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Durani JI,
>                 It seems to me an innocuous message from the poem that some
> people from the neighbouring country hurl bombs at us and we don't
> retaliate. Even with a couple of times readings, I don't get the message
> what Mr Sengupta is trying to imply.There is a saying in Punjabi when a MIL
> wants to scold her DIL and does not find a valid reason to do so she would
> say" Atta gundhate hue hilti kyon hai tu." meaning "Why do you move your
> body when kneading flour".No sceptics for anyone intended please.
> Regards,
> (A.K.MALIK)
>
>
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] AMAN KI AASHA
>> To: "Shuddhabrata Sengupta" <shuddha at sarai.net>
>> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 12:00 AM
>> I wish some people understood poetry
>> .....
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> <shuddha at sarai.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Aditya,
>> >
>> > Are you, or the 16 year-old Sakshi, whose juvenilia
>> you have
>> > subjected us to, implying that in your 'padosi ke
>> ghar' (neighbouring
>> > house - a not so veiled reference to the neighbouring
>> country,
>> > Pakistan) children play with bombs?
>> >
>> > For the sake of our -Hindi speaking readers, the
>> 'poem' by '16 year
>> > old Sakshi' that Aditya Raj Kaul has now sent us -
>> translates,
>> > (roughly) as follows. I have read this poem very
>> carefully. I take
>> > very serious objection to the fact that it suggests
>> that Pakistani
>> > children are in some ways responsible for terrorist
>> atrocities in
>> > India, specificially, in Pune.
>> >
>> > "...In my neighbour's house
>> > children play with bombs,
>> > and in mine, they play with a ball
>> > everyday, just like this, they play with pleasure
>> > sometimes, the balls finds their way into their house
>> > and their bombs find their way into mine
>> > this is what happened yesterday @ Pune
>> > they don't give us back our balls
>> > we don't give them back their bombs
>> > they are fortunate...
>> > and we...."
>> >
>> > Seriously Aditya, get a life, at least do not stoop so
>> low as to
>> > imply, with this disgusting piece of innuendo, that
>> Pakistani
>> > children are terrorists.
>> >
>> > At least let us leave children alone.
>> >
>> > Enraged and horrified at the amoral, cynical abyss
>> that you inhabit,
>> > and that too at a relatively young age.
>> >
>> > Shuddha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 20-Feb-10, at 1:57 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mr. Vij,
>> >>
>> >> I campaigned on roads with public, so media came
>> out to support. I
>> >> felt the
>> >> brunt of this; as cases were slapped against me
>> for protesting.
>> >> When you
>> >> can't argue Mr. Vij, you attack 'activists'
>> personally on public
>> >> forums such
>> >> as these.
>> >>
>> >> My campaign however wasn't discussed in the Board
>> meeting of some
>> >> Multi-National Company. My campaign didn't have
>> commercials on
>> >> television,
>> >> radio and newspapers.
>> >>
>> >> It seems you are an expert on 'selling' campaigns.
>> Wonder how that
>> >> happens!
>> >> Have you shifted your profession lately? Please do
>> explain to us list
>> >> members in detail.
>> >>
>> >> Don't mix issues without thinking. It becomes
>> cheap.
>> >>
>> >> As the moderators have the liberty to trash a
>> value addition to the
>> >> list. So
>> >> do I have the right to counter 'trash' and
>> 'propaganda' on this list.
>> >>
>> >> Dear Shuddhaji
>> >>
>> >> A 16 year of Sakshi sent me these lines a couple
>> of days back -
>> >>
>> >> मेरे पड़ोस वाले घर
>> में ,
>> >> बच्चे बम से खेलते
>> है...
>> >>
>> >> और मेरे बच्चे यहाँ
>> गेंद
>> >> से...
>> >>
>> >> हर रोज़ युही मज़े
>> से
>> >> खेलते है..
>> >>
>> >> अक्सर गेंद उनके घर
>> में
>> >> जाती है..
>> >>
>> >> और उनके बम मेरे घर
>> में
>> >> आते है...
>> >>
>> >> कल भी एसा ही दिन था,
>> @pune
>> >>
>> >> पडोसी गेंद लोटाते
>> नहीं,
>> >>
>> >> और हम भी उनके बम
>> लोटाते
>> >> नहीं ...
>> >>
>> >> वो खुश किस्मत है ...
>> >>
>> >> और हम ....
>> >>
>> >> thanks
>> >>
>> >> Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Shivam Vij
>> शिवम्
>> >> विज्
>> >> <mail at shivamvij.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Shri Aditya Raj Kaulji has for some weeks now
>> been telling the world
>> >>> about how Aman ki Asha has to do with m-words
>> like "media
>> >>> market-management". Has he no sense of irony?
>> he, the master of
>> >>> "media
>> >>> market-managment" campaigns of various causes?
>> Jab tumhara campaign
>> >>> bikta hai toh peace, kisi aur ka toh market?
>> Kuch to sharam karon.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 17 February 2010 17:21, Aditya Raj Kaul
>> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Shri Shuddhabrata Senguptaji
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Namaskar
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have merely forwarded a reaction from a
>> common Indian to the
>> >>>> recent
>> >>>> developments of 'Aman Ki Asha' around. I
>> can see you agitated.
>> >>>> Wonder
>> >>> what
>> >>>> makes you so uncomfortable! Is it the
>> truth of Islamic-terrorism
>> >>>> or the
>> >>>> engagement politics and media
>> market-management of Peace?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It hardly matters to me how a godamn 'My
>> Name Is Khan' does at
>> >>>> the box
>> >>>> office. I condenm the protests against it.
>> However, terrorism
>> >>>> matters to
>> >>> me
>> >>>> and every Indian not how much money a
>> producer makes out of made-up
>> >>>> publicity. We don't want protection of a
>> bloody movie; we want
>> >>>> security
>> >>> for
>> >>>> citizens of this country.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You have yet again displayed intolerance
>> and abused my right to
>> >>> participate
>> >>>> in this so called 'Liberal' forum. I am
>> not facing this for the
>> >>>> first
>> >>> time.
>> >>>> It has become usual for me. Wonder if I
>> calculate the wastage of
>> >>>> time to
>> >>> us
>> >>>> by some of the rhetoric of far extremist,
>> intolerant and left
>> >>>> lunatic
>> >>>> fringe.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Have tolerance in letter and spirit. We
>> have heard enough of your
>> >>>> fake
>> >>> Batla
>> >>>> House and several other such theories.
>> What happened to them, if
>> >>>> I may
>> >>> ask?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Pakistan is suffering from something which
>> it initiated decades
>> >>>> ago. It
>> >>> will
>> >>>> continue to burn. I never objected to
>> views from Pakistani
>> >>>> public. Though
>> >>>> Kashmir can never be on dialogue table
>> with Pakistan. Nor can it
>> >>>> be with
>> >>>> terrorists who some glorify in this
>> forum.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Congrats to you and other co-founders of
>> Sarai, which completed a
>> >>>> decade
>> >>>> recently. I pray for more, patience,
>> tolerance and flow of rational
>> >>> thought
>> >>>> to the Sarai.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And hope you hold/delete/block less/none
>> of our e-mails from now
>> >>>> onwards.
>> >>>> Even that may be abuse of liberty,
>> something you are very well
>> >>>> versed
>> >>> with
>> >>>> yourself.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't want this this to turn into a
>> relay e-mail exchange as has
>> >>> happened
>> >>>> in the past.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2010/2/17 Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Aditya,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I regret that you have once again
>> abused the space of liberty on
>> >>>>> this
>> >>> list
>> >>>>> by forwarding this idiotic poem, which
>> I have wasted my time by
>> >>>>> reading.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am normally not a fan of the Times
>> of India, or the Jang Group of
>> >>>>> Newspapers, but, I have to say, that
>> the steady stream of
>> >>>>> opposition
>> >>> that
>> >>>>> their 'Aman Ki Asha' initiative seems
>> to be gathering from the
>> >>>>> usual
>> >>>>> suspects makes me even more interested
>> in what the 'Aman ki Asha'
>> >>> initiative
>> >>>>> is all about. I sincerely hope that it
>> sets a trend, and that other
>> >>> media
>> >>>>> corporations and other agencies mirror
>> it by setting up their own
>> >>>>> initiatives for sustaining the
>> resources of peace in South Asia,
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> especially between India and Pakistan,
>> in these difficult times.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Having tasted a bitter defeat after
>> attempting their thuggery on
>> >>>>> the 'My
>> >>>>> Name is Khan' issue, the lunatic right
>> is now seeking a
>> >>>>> fruitless second
>> >>>>> wind, by riding the waves of the
>> regrettable bomb blast that
>> >>>>> occured in
>> >>> the
>> >>>>> German Bakery in Pune. Your effort to
>> surf this wave is
>> >>>>> pathetic. The
>> >>>>> xenophobia agenda is dead and buried,
>> and no amount of impotent
>> >>>>> roaring
>> >>> from
>> >>>>> Matoshtree will make it walk again.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I find the poem that you sent,
>> strongly objectionable, because
>> >>>>> it makes
>> >>> no
>> >>>>> attempt to distinguish between
>> different kinds of opinion and
>> >>>>> publics in
>> >>>>> Pakistan.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The poem says -
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dilli, Mumbai Ahemdabad ne, jab ki thi
>> jaane qurbaan,
>> >>>>> man hi man khush hote they, yahi paki
>> haiwan.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> For those who do not understand Hindi.
>> These lines can be
>> >>>>> translated as
>> >>>>> follows -
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "When in Delhi, Mumbai and Ahmedabad,
>> lives were sacrificed
>> >>>>> In their hearts, Paki monsters
>> rejoiced"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am aware of the fact that time and
>> again, whenever terrorist
>> >>> atrocities
>> >>>>> occur in India, a significant section
>> of Pakistani political
>> >>>>> society
>> >>> condemn
>> >>>>> acts of terrorism in no uncertain
>> terms.  Many people in India
>> >>>>> do the
>> >>> same
>> >>>>> when terrorism occurs in Pakistan. To
>> lump all Pakistanis (or
>> >>>>> for that
>> >>>>> matter, all Indians) as 'monsters' who
>> 'rejoice in their hearts'
>> >>>>> when
>> >>> loss
>> >>>>> of life occurs, is disgusting. I find
>> your endorsement of this
>> >>> disgusting
>> >>>>> sentiment shameful.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There is a very strong body of public
>> opinion in Pakistan that
>> >>>>> wants
>> >>> peace
>> >>>>> in South Asia, and realizes that peace
>> is the only way forward in
>> >>> Pakistan.
>> >>>>> They act vigilantly against
>> war-mongers and preachers of
>> >>>>> prejudice in
>> >>>>> Pakistan, exactly as many of us act
>> vigilantly against the
>> >>>>> constituency
>> >>> that
>> >>>>> advocates permanent aggression here.
>> That includes our vigilance
>> >>>>> against
>> >>>>> your hate filled agenda.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Whenever an atrocity like what
>> happened in Pune occurs, I find
>> >>>>> that the
>> >>>>> constituency of rabid right-wing
>> nationalism comes crawling out
>> >>>>> like
>> >>> maggots
>> >>>>> to feast on the dead. As if they were
>> waiting for tragedy to
>> >>>>> strike to
>> >>> once
>> >>>>> again find their reason for
>> existence.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Have none of these people any shame?
>> Have you none at all?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Shuddha
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 17-Feb-10, at 1:07 PM, Aditya Raj
>> Kaul wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>> ----------
>> >>>>> From: Irma Razdan
>> >>>>> Date: 2010/2/17
>> >>>>> Subject: Fwd: AMAN KI AASHA
>> >>>>> To:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> For my Hindi speaking followers, this
>> is a poem that was
>> >>>>> authored by a
>> >>> mod
>> >>>>> of a forum which is my frequent haunt.
>> It is a take on the
>> >>>>> recent 'Aman
>> >>> ki
>> >>>>> Asha' program by the Times of India
>> and Jang group of Pakistan,
>> >>>>> which is
>> >>>>> supposed to be an Indo-Pak peace
>> project. Newbies, please refer
>> >>>>> to link.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> घर घर में आज
>> जगती है, हर
>> >>>>> सुबह अमन की
>> आशा,
>> >>>>> टाइम्स ऑफ
>> इंडिया और
>> >>>>> दैनिक जंग का,
>> देखो नया
>> >>>>> तमाशा,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> पीठ में ख़ंजर
>> भोंका
>> >>>>> जिनने, मानवता
>> को ही छला,
>> >>>>> आज बोलते चले
>> हैं वोही,
>> >>>>> कैसी शांति की
>> भाषा,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ज़मीन के लालच
>> को धर्म
>> >>>>> का मुखौटा
>> पहना,
>> >>>>> जिन जल्लादों
>> ने छीना
>> >>>>> भारत माँ का
>> गहना,
>> >>>>> आज उन्ही से
>> रखनी होगी,
>> >>>>> हमको प्रेम की
>> अभिलाषा
>> >>>>> वाह रे टाइम्स
>> ऑफ
>> >>>>> इंडिया, क्या
>> खूब है तेरी
>> >>>>> आशा.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> देखो कैप्टन
>> कालिया,
>> >>>>> ऐसा हुआ आपका
>> बलिदान,
>> >>>>> आज अफ़ज़ल गुरु
>> और क़सब
>> >>>>> को शायद मिल
>> जाये जीवनदान,
>> >>>>> छब्बीस-ग्यारह
>> दोहराने
>> >>>>> को बेचैन हैं
>> जिनके
>> >>>>> जेहादी,
>> >>>>> दोस्ती का राग
>> सुना रहे,
>> >>>>> वही कियानी,
>> ज़रदारी और
>> >>>>> गीलानी,
>> >>>>> कौआ चले हंस की
>> चाल, देखो
>> >>>>> इनकी मीठी
>> भाषा,
>> >>>>> हमें दोस्ती का
>> पाठ
>> >>>>> पढ़ाएंगे, अब
>> सूजा अहमद
>> >>>>> पाशा.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> हमारे अपने
>> नेताओं ने,
>> >>>>> देश को भी नहीं
>> बख़्शा
>> >>>>> नपुंसक से भी
>> कम पौरुष
>> >>>>> जिनमें, वो
>> करेंगे देश की
>> >>>>> रक्षा?
>> >>>>> बातचीत के
>> ज़रिये ये,
>> >>>>> मिटा देंगे
>> सारे भेद
>> >>>>> आधा कश्मीर
>> खोने का,
>> >>>>> इनको ज़रा नहीं
>> खेद,
>> >>>>> राष्ट्र को
>> किया
>> >>>>> लज्जित, दी
>> शर्म-अल-
>> >>>>> शेख़ में
>> निराशा,
>> >>>>> समझे नहीं हम
>> किसने लिखी
>> >>>>> आख़िर उस
>> दस्तावेज़ की
>> >>>>> भाषा.
>> >>>>> कब तक जयचंदों
>> को जनती
>> >>>>> रहेगी हे माता!
>> >>>>> कब तक तेरे
>> बच्चों को
>> >>>>> होती रहेगी
>> हताशा,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> आतंकवाद की आग
>> में जब जल
>> >>>>> रहा है
>> पाकिस्तान,
>> >>>>> ऐसी हालत में
>> इनके
>> >>>>> हृदय में जागा
>> है इंसान,
>> >>>>> दिल्ली मुंबई
>> अहमदाबाद
>> >>>>> ने जब की थीं
>> जानें
>> >>>>> क़ुर्बान,
>> >>>>> मन ही मन खुश
>> होते थे यही
>> >>>>> पाकी हैवान,
>> >>>>> देखो
>> भारतवासियों, रखना
>> >>>>> इतना ध्यान,
>> >>>>>
>> राष्ट्रभक्तों के हाथ
>> >>>>> में ही सदा
>> देना तुम कमान,
>> >>>>> झूठे
>> धर्म-निरपक्षों से
>> >>>>> रहना तुम
>> सावधान,
>> >>>>> वोट बैंक बनकर
>> कभी मत
>> >>>>> करना मतदान.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> बोस, पटेल,
>> सावरकर ने,
>> >>>>> जिस देश को है
>> तराशा,
>> >>>>> लूट ना ले उसको
>> फिर, यह
>> >>>>> झूठी अमन की
>> आशा.
>> >>>>> घर घर में आज
>> जगती है, हर
>> >>>>> सुबह अमन की
>> आशा,
>> >>>>> टाइम्स ऑफ
>> इंडिया और
>> >>>>> दैनिक जंग का,
>> देखो नया
>> >>>>> तमाशा.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> English Transliteration:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Aman Ki Aasha
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ghar ghar mein aaj jagti hai, har
>> subah aman ki aasha,
>> >>>>> Times of India aur dainik Jang ka,
>> dekho naya tamaasha,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Peeth mein khanjar bhonka jinnay,
>> manavta ko hi chhala,
>> >>>>> aaj bolte chale hain wohi, kaisi
>> shanti ki bhaasha,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> zameen ke lalach ko dharm ka mukhauta
>> pehna,
>> >>>>> jin jallado ne chhena, Bharat Maa ka
>> gehna,
>> >>>>> aaj unhi se rakhni hogi, hamko prem ki
>> abhilaasha,
>> >>>>> wah re Times of India, kya khoob hai
>> teri Aasha.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dekho Captain Kalia, aisa hua aapka
>> balidaan,
>> >>>>> Aaj Afzal Guru aur Qasab ko, shayad
>> mil jaaye jeevandaan,
>> >>>>> Chhabees-Gyarah (26/11) dohraanay ko,
>> bechain hain jinkay jehadi,
>> >>>>> hame dosti ka raag sunaa rahey, wohi
>> Kiani, Zardari aur Gilani
>> >>>>> Kawwa chale hans ki chaal, dekho inki
>> meethi bhaasha,
>> >>>>> hamen dosti ka paath padhayenge, ab
>> Sooja Ahmed Pasha.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hamare apne netao ne, desh ko bhi nahi
>> baksha,
>> >>>>> Napunsak se bhi kam pourush jinme, woh
>> karenge desh ki raksha?
>> >>>>> baatcheet ke zariye ye, mitaa denge
>> saare bhed,
>> >>>>> aadha Kashmir khoney ka, inko zara
>> nahi khed,
>> >>>>> Rashtra ko kiya lajjit, di
>> Sharm-Al-Shekh mein niraasha,
>> >>>>> samjhe nahin hum kisnay likhi , aakhir
>> us dastavez ki bhasha.
>> >>>>> Kab tak Jaichando ko janti rahegi he
>> maata,
>> >>>>> Kab tak tere bachcho ko, hoti rahegi
>> hataasha.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Atankwaad ki aag mein, jab jal raha
>> hai Pakistan,
>> >>>>> Aisi halat mein inke hriday mein,
>> jaaga hai insaan,
>> >>>>> Dilli, Mumbai Ahemdabad ne, jab ki thi
>> jaane qurbaan,
>> >>>>> man hi man khush hote they, yahi paki
>> haiwan.
>> >>>>> Dekho Bharat vasiyon, rakhna itna
>> dhyan,
>> >>>>> Rashtrabhakto ke haath mein hi, sada
>> dana tum kamaan,
>> >>>>> Jhoothey dharm-nirpayksho se, rehna
>> tom saavdhaan,
>> >>>>> vote bank bankar kabhi, mat karna
>> matdaan.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Bose, Patel, Savarkar ne, jis desh ko
>> hai taraasha,
>> >>>>> loot na le usko phir, yeh jhooti aman
>> ki aasha.
>> >>>>> Ghar ghar mein aaj jagti hai, har
>> subah aman ki aasha,
>> >>>>> Times of India aur dainik Jang ka,
>> dekho naya tamaasha.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Courtsey : Kumpal Madrasi
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  ------------------------------
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> >>>>> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>> >>>>> Raqs Media Collective
>> >>>>> shuddha at sarai.net
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>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Freelance Writer
>> >>>>
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>> > Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> > The Sarai Programme at CSDS
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