[Reader-list] India state-run banks 'turn away Muslims': BBC

Wed Jul 28 05:02:17 IST 2010

Javed. You are allowed to misinterpret what I said. But I will be hurt if 
you do it deliberately. If you read again my second mail, it should leave no 
reason for such interpretation.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Javed" <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
To: "TaraPrakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
Cc: "Rajkamal Goswami" <rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com>; "Rajendra Bhat 
Uppinangadi" <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>; "sarai list" 
<reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] India state-run banks 'turn away Muslims': BBC

Dear Tara Prakash
You clearly said in your first mail "its high time Javed you start
forwarding mails asking for one more Pakistan". If I have a problem in
my country, do I have only two choices: either remain silent about it
or ask for another country? And if I have to ask for another country,
IT HAS TO BE Pakistan? Just because I have a Muslim name?

And if I have a complaint, why should I go and make a survey about how
many other people have the same complain? Why can't I simply forward a
mail on a list where a million complaints are being forwarded any way?

Javed

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:53 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> Javed. Your point is well taken. There is profiling and Muslims are
> discriminated against and communal profiling in a lot of instances is a
> reality. But you don't have to be a Muslim to be treated as such. North
> Eastern people, Biharis, Tamilians, Jats, Gujjars, Kashmiris all have 
> their
> true stories of discrimination to tell. But the emails you forward make it
> look like only Muslims, all the Muslims, are being denied their basic 
> rights
> in India. Forcing a homogenous identity on all the Muslims is wrong. Those
> who do it are no better than Sanghis whom they criticize. Such approach 
> has
> already been proved wrong with the failed experiment of Pakistan. The 
> emails
> you forward talk about Muslim as a homogenous community so I find your
> emails communal in nature. That the list has a history of communal emails,
> does not make you less guilty of communalizing the list.
>
> As about your going to Pakistan, I am not sure who suggested that to you, 
> it
> wasn't me. All I told you was that you have established with the forwarded
> emails that Muslims are not treated equally. How about forwarding some
> emails that propose a solution. Even if the solution is asking for another
> Pakistan. Pakistan is more a metaphor than a single country, like in the
> famous book "Kitne Pakistan." I also volunteered my support for any such 
> new
> country that can guarantee that every citizen will be treated equally in
> that country.
> Let's also talk about the merits of the "news" item that gave this new
> information about discrimination against Muslims. Looks like I have first
> hand experience of discrimination. But I am not considered minority so
> cannot complain to minority commission. A lot of villagers, illiterate and
> disabled people are not given bank loans, cheque books or debit card, just
> because they can't sign. The bottom line is that it all boils down to 
> haves
> and have nots. There used to be a branch of U Co. bank in Nizamuddin. I 
> was
> denied my first cheque book there and I still know the name of that 
> person.
> That does not make all the Muslims culprits as 100 thousand people in 
> Andhra
> being denied bank account facility do not make all the Muslims of India
> victims.
>
> We have some enlightened folks on this list and elsewhere who criticize
> homogenizing of Muslims when it comes to some Muslims terrorizing,
> brutalizing, victimizing those who don't agree with them; but have no
> problem putting all Muslims in the same basket when it comes to
> discrimination. Their reasoning is flawed and their politics deplorable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javed" <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> To: "Rajkamal Goswami" <rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com>; "Rajendra Bhat
> Uppinangadi" <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] India state-run banks 'turn away Muslims': BBC
>
>
>> Dear friends
>> You have the right to respond in the way you all did to my mail. But I
>> reiterate that by sending this report I do not wish to offend Hindus
>> (and why should they - its not about them). Profiling of Muslims in
>> different institutions is a fact which you cannot deny. If you don't
>> believe BBC, please take a look at this report from India Today:
>>
>> Muslims face bank profiling barrier (Maneesh Pandey, India Today)
>>
>> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/106106/India/muslims-face-bank-profiling-barrier.html
>>
>> A very close freind of mine (a Muslim) who is rich and not illitrate,
>> got a bank loan some years ago since he was working in an MNC. Later
>> on he left the job and started his own business. But his residential
>> address is a Muslim-dominated area of Delhi. The same bank which gave
>> him a loan years ago, now refuses to give him a credit card and other
>> services. They don't give any reason, but sheepishly tell him that
>> there are some "technical" problems. In fact many other companies have
>> refused credit card to him because of that particualr address. There
>> are many stories like that. And I agree that banks can refuse you
>> services if you don't have the proper ID documents. But what about if
>> you do have all the papers and yet they refuse.
>>
>> And for someone who made a suggestion for me: I am sorry but I do not
>> wish to go to Pakistan. This is my country and I have the right to
>> fight for my rights. If you have a problem with my mails, please
>> delete them whenever you see my name.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Javed
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Rajkamal Goswami
>> <rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Javed & co. should be banned from this group. He is just
>>> indulging circulating news that essentially leads to a heated
>>> argument. Its diluting the utility of this group.
>>>
>>> On 7/26/10, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> how convenient is this line of reasoning:
>>>>
>>>> filmstars, who are incidentally muslim, do not have trouble in opening 
>>>> a
>>>> bank account because they are making billions. therefore, any muslim
>>>> should
>>>> not have trouble in opening an account. therefore, if someone is citing
>>>> a
>>>> report about muslims having difficulties to open a bank because of the
>>>> bank
>>>> officials, according to the reasons offered by Mr Taraprakash, are
>>>> actually
>>>> creating a 'Pakistan' here.
>>>>
>>>> Mr, Taraprakash, this kind of reasoning would surely make us one of the
>>>> most
>>>> powerful nations of the world. wouldn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone explain why even nationalised bank executives are asked to
>>>> line
>>>> up on the doors of the victims who get relief from the government?
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Anupam
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:21 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't know a poor Indian who is not a muslim is invited, offered
>>>>> breakfast and tea along with an easy account. I wonder what religion
>>>>> are
>>>>> the
>>>>> bollywood Khans who make billions. Do they have trouble opening bank
>>>>> accounts?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's high time Javed, you start forwarding emails asking for one more
>>>>> Pakistan. I will be with those who ask for a new country as long as
>>>>> they
>>>>> promise that every Muslim will be treated equally in that country.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javed" <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 6:58 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Reader-list] India state-run banks 'turn away Muslims': BBC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> India state-run banks 'turn away Muslims'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By Sanjoy Majumder BBC News, Delhi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> State-owned banks in India have been accused of discriminating 
>>>>>> against
>>>>>> the country's Muslim minority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> India's minorities watchdog has received a record number of 
>>>>>> complaints
>>>>>> from Muslims who say they have been prevented from opening bank
>>>>>> accounts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> India's Muslim community is among the poorest in the country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some bankers say it is not so much their religious background, but
>>>>>> their economic status that makes it hard for Muslims to get banking
>>>>>> facilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The National Commission of Minorities says that there has been a 100%
>>>>>> increase in the number of complaints it has received over the past
>>>>>> year from Muslims who say they are being prevented from opening
>>>>>> accounts in state-run banks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reports say the worst case took place in the southern state of Andhra
>>>>>> Pradesh, where some 90,000 Muslim students were unable to open
>>>>>> accounts to deposit scholarship cheques given to them by the
>>>>>> government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Official reports frequently put Muslims at the bottom of India's
>>>>>> social and economic ladder - even beneath than low-caste Hindus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Their economic status means they are often excluded by private banks,
>>>>>> which prefer more well-to-do clients.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Already a number of reports have suggested that India's Muslims fare
>>>>>> poorly when it comes to getting access to quality education or
>>>>>> employment opportunities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This latest finding will add more pressure on a government which is
>>>>>> seen as doing very little for the country's largest minority group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10718243
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