[Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development

Britta Ohm ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de
Thu Jun 3 17:11:33 IST 2010 

Kshmendra,
that is indeed a very satisfying answer to a reasonable question.  
Bouncing off dissent is the privilege of those who refuse communicating.
I have the answer, thanks.
B


Am 03.06.2010 um 13:10 schrieb Kshmendra Kaul:

> Britta
>
> If you need to wonder about your "idiotic arrogance" then not much  
> can be said to you.
>
> Keep wondering. You might at some stage find the answer.
>
> K
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/2/10, ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>  
> wrote:
>
> From: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
> To: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de, "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:17 PM
>
> I wonder why it should represent an audacity to make a  
> generalisation or
> to point to a problem. My name is Britta, by the way.
>
> > OHM
> >
> > Whatever be your feelings about the absence or presence of  
> rationality or
> > irrationality in an individual or members of this List, it says  
> much about
> > you when you make generalisations about the 'Indian Public'.
> >
> > Idiotic arrogance
> >
> > Kshmendra
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/2/10, ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu- 
> berlin.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
> > To: "Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi" <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 8:57 PM
> >
> >
> > Rajen, you're talking - even within the (lacking) logic of your own
> > argument - such nonsense that it hurts. If it is deliberate, it is  
> a smart
> > move, if not, it is very sad, in any case it has the effect of  
> silencing
> > any rational counter-argument, and this has been the problem of  
> this list,
> > and of the Indian public, for quite a while now.
> >
> >
> >> What courage is needed to mention about the refugee camps of  
> tibetans in
> >> Bylakuppe and bailahongal in Karnataka, where the hard work, no  
> nonsense
> >> approach to life and skills saw the tibetans rise again from  
> strength to
> >> strength, what courage is needed to mention about the jewish  
> camps where
> >> millions were gassed and subsequent rush to other nations where  
> they
> >> were
> >> refugees but integreted with the society to rise as powerful
> >> bankers.?What
> >> courage is needed to talk about the brilliance of the next  
> generation of
> >> pandits who studied hard, played harder to acquire skills and  
> achieve
> >> higher
> >> lifestyles.?
> >> courage is needed to talk about the camps of useless individuals  
> who
> >> expect
> >> all gifts from the system for voting the leaders to power.!
> >> regards,
> >> rajen
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:44 PM, anupam chakravartty
> >> <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bipin Trivedi
> >>>
> >>> you do not have the courage to reply back when list members  
> wanted to
> >>> show
> >>> you the conditions of the relief camps of 2002 survivors in  
> Gujarat.
> >>> what
> >>> are you quoting this report for?
> >>>
> >>> anupam
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:34 PM, <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Singapore is also a well-working state. But it's not a  
> democracy.
> >>> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The Sachar Committee report indirectly challenges other  
> states to
> >>> emulate
> >>> > > Gujarat chief minister's policy of secular development and
> >>> > ânationalise'
> >>> > > it
> >>> > > By Pravin Sheth
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/article/59/20100527201005270359478766a84c375/Gujarat%E2%80%99s-secular-development.html
> >>> > >
> >>> > > In setting up the Sachar Committee, the UPA government had  
> its own
> >>> > > objectives. Contrary to the expectations of Chief Minister  
> Narendra
> >>> > Modi's
> >>> > > critics, the committee's comparative statewise statistics of
> >>> parameters
> >>> > > like education, employment and income of the Muslim population
> >>> living
> >>> in
> >>> > > the country proves Gujarat is far ahead of other states,  
> even those
> >>> ruled
> >>> > > by so-called secular parties.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > In terms of literacy, Muslims in Gujarat stood at 73.5% as  
> compared
> >>> to
> >>> > the
> >>> > > national average of 59.1. The figure for urban males is 76,  
> and 81
> >>> for
> >>> > > those in rural areas as compared to the national average of  
> 70 and
> >>> 62
> >>> > > respectively in similar categories.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The average literacy rate of Muslim women in urban Gujarat  
> is five
> >>> points
> >>> > > higher than the national average, whereas those in rural  
> Gujarat
> >>> fare
> >>> > even
> >>> > > better with a literacy rate of 57 per cent as compared to the
> >>> national
> >>> > > average of 43.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > A greater percentage of Muslims here have attained primary,
> >>> secondary
> >>> and
> >>> > > higher-secondary level education. The national average is  
> 60.9%.
> >>> Muslim
> >>> > > children in Gujarat are benefiting from equal opportunities to
> >>> access
> >>> > > secondary schooling as other children.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Take other aspect of economic well-being of Muslims in  
> Gujarat.
> >>> Here
> >>> > also,
> >>> > > the Sachar Committee dispels the myth.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The report counters the propaganda that injustice is being  
> done to
> >>> the
> >>> > > Muslim community in Gujarat
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The per month per capita income of Muslims in urban Gujarat  
> is an
> >>> average
> >>> > > Rs 875 â more than the national average of Rs 804. In  
> contrast, it
> >>> is
> >>> > Rs
> >>> > > 662 in UP, Rs 748 in West Bengal, Rs 811 in Punjab, Rs 803 in
> >>> Andhra
> >>> > > Pradesh and Rs 837 in Karnataka.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > In rural Gujarat, the per capita monthly income of Muslims is
> >>> 20-25%
> >>> more
> >>> > > than the Muslims living in rural areas of most other states.  
> On an
> >>> > > average, it comes to Rs 668 compared to the national average  
> of Rs
> >>> 553.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > In terms of Muslims living below poverty line, Gujarat  
> improved
> >>> from
> >>> 54%
> >>> > > in 1987-88 to 34% in 2004-2005, showing a healthy pace of
> >>> improvement.
> >>> > > Even in terms of share of Muslims in state employment, it is  
> 5.4%
> >>> in
> >>> > > Gujarat while it is 2.1% in West Bengal, 3.2% in Delhi and  
> 4.4% in
> >>> > > Maharashtra.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Overall, the total picture counters the propaganda that  
> injustice
> >>> is
> >>> > being
> >>> > > done to Muslims in Gujarat. The Sachar Committee on  
> educational
> >>> condition
> >>> > > clearly shows that the Muslims of Gujarat are progressing  
> well in
> >>> the
> >>> > > field of education and economic well-being. They are well  
> cared
> >>> for.
> >>> The
> >>> > > facts on their economic conditions dispel similar myths  
> about their
> >>> being
> >>> > > discriminated against or being denied equal opportunity.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The fact is echoed by the Imam of Jama Masjid in Ahmedabad,  
> who
> >>> > reportedly
> >>> > > commented sometime back "Muslims have an opportunity to  
> prosper in
> >>> the
> >>> > > peaceful environment that the Modi government has created.  
> Modi has
> >>> > > provided an atmosphere which is conducive for those who want  
> to
> >>> trade
> >>> > > peacefully in Gujarat".
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The Sachar report indirectly challenges other states to  
> emulate
> >>> Modi's
> >>> > > policy of secular development and ânationalise' it.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ironically, vociferous secularists are silent regarding the
> >>> findings.
> >>> > They
> >>> > > continue to focus on Modi-1 as branded during the 2002  
> carnage and
> >>> > > Sohrabuddin encounter â a chief minister habitually noted to
> >>> dishonour
> >>> > > the rule of law, a friend of corporate magnets to the  
> detriment of
> >>> > > villagers and SEZ-affected disadvantaged.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > However, there is popularly a more accepted Modi-2 â a  
> dynamic CM
> >>> > > realising the Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor, the Special
> >>> Investment
> >>> > > Regions, port-based development, âHopenhagen', BRTS, GDP,  
> and much
> >>> > more.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > But the two Modis fail to merge as some anti-Modi ideologues  
> refuse
> >>> to
> >>> > > discern the significant transformation in his leadership.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Can Modi, hubris-free, demonstrate his transformation to  
> abridge
> >>> this
> >>> > > perception-reality gap?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Source Link:
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/article/59/20100527201005270359478766a84c375/Gujarat%E2%80%99s-secular-development.html
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
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> >> --
> >> Rajen.
> >>
> >
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