[Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development

Thu Jun 3 17:25:55 IST 2010

Bipin:

"I do not say what happen in the past was right and it happened for whatever
reason but those who have suffered in it also wants to forget and they even
forgot and move ahead with prosperity which is not digested by some wasted
interest and want to keep the things alive to just to spread communalism."

At least you acknowledge that what happened in the past was not right.
Personally, a lot of people want to forget the gruesome memories of 2002.
However, collectively, if you see the conditions of the relief camps, they
would always stand as a reminder of the past.

Anupam

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Britta Ohm <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

> Kshmendra,
> that is indeed a very satisfying answer to a reasonable question. Bouncing
> off dissent is the privilege of those who refuse communicating.
> I have the answer, thanks.
> B
>
>
> Am 03.06.2010 um 13:10 schrieb Kshmendra Kaul:
>
>  Britta
>>
>> If you need to wonder about your "idiotic arrogance" then not much can be
>> said to you.
>>
>> Keep wondering. You might at some stage find the answer.
>>
>> K
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 6/2/10, ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
>> To: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de, "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:17 PM
>>
>> I wonder why it should represent an audacity to make a generalisation or
>> to point to a problem. My name is Britta, by the way.
>>
>> > OHM
>> >
>> > Whatever be your feelings about the absence or presence of rationality
>> or
>> > irrationality in an individual or members of this List, it says much
>> about
>> > you when you make generalisations about the 'Indian Public'.
>> >
>> > Idiotic arrogance
>> >
>> > Kshmendra
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 6/2/10, ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
>> > To: "Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi" <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 8:57 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > Rajen, you're talking - even within the (lacking) logic of your own
>> > argument - such nonsense that it hurts. If it is deliberate, it is a
>> smart
>> > move, if not, it is very sad, in any case it has the effect of silencing
>> > any rational counter-argument, and this has been the problem of this
>> list,
>> > and of the Indian public, for quite a while now.
>> >
>> >
>> >> What courage is needed to mention about the refugee camps of tibetans
>> in
>> >> Bylakuppe and bailahongal in Karnataka, where the hard work, no
>> nonsense
>> >> approach to life and skills saw the tibetans rise again from strength
>> to
>> >> strength, what courage is needed to mention about the jewish camps
>> where
>> >> millions were gassed and subsequent rush to other nations where they
>> >> were
>> >> refugees but integreted with the society to rise as powerful
>> >> bankers.?What
>> >> courage is needed to talk about the brilliance of the next generation
>> of
>> >> pandits who studied hard, played harder to acquire skills and achieve
>> >> higher
>> >> lifestyles.?
>> >> courage is needed to talk about the camps of useless individuals who
>> >> expect
>> >> all gifts from the system for voting the leaders to power.!
>> >> regards,
>> >> rajen
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:44 PM, anupam chakravartty
>> >> <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Bipin Trivedi
>> >>>
>> >>> you do not have the courage to reply back when list members wanted to
>> >>> show
>> >>> you the conditions of the relief camps of 2002 survivors in Gujarat.
>> >>> what
>> >>> are you quoting this report for?
>> >>>
>> >>> anupam
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:34 PM, <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Singapore is also a well-working state. But it's not a democracy.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The Sachar Committee report indirectly challenges other states to
>> >>> emulate
>> >>> > > Gujarat chief minister's policy of secular development and
>> >>> > ânationalise'
>> >>> > > it
>> >>> > > By Pravin Sheth
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/article/59/20100527201005270359478766a84c375/Gujarat%E2%80%99s-secular-development.html
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > In setting up the Sachar Committee, the UPA government had its own
>> >>> > > objectives. Contrary to the expectations of Chief Minister
>> Narendra
>> >>> > Modi's
>> >>> > > critics, the committee's comparative statewise statistics of
>> >>> parameters
>> >>> > > like education, employment and income of the Muslim population
>> >>> living
>> >>> in
>> >>> > > the country proves Gujarat is far ahead of other states, even
>> those
>> >>> ruled
>> >>> > > by so-called secular parties.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > In terms of literacy, Muslims in Gujarat stood at 73.5% as
>> compared
>> >>> to
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > > national average of 59.1. The figure for urban males is 76, and 81
>> >>> for
>> >>> > > those in rural areas as compared to the national average of 70 and
>> >>> 62
>> >>> > > respectively in similar categories.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The average literacy rate of Muslim women in urban Gujarat is five
>> >>> points
>> >>> > > higher than the national average, whereas those in rural Gujarat
>> >>> fare
>> >>> > even
>> >>> > > better with a literacy rate of 57 per cent as compared to the
>> >>> national
>> >>> > > average of 43.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > A greater percentage of Muslims here have attained primary,
>> >>> secondary
>> >>> and
>> >>> > > higher-secondary level education. The national average is 60.9%.
>> >>> Muslim
>> >>> > > children in Gujarat are benefiting from equal opportunities to
>> >>> access
>> >>> > > secondary schooling as other children.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Take other aspect of economic well-being of Muslims in Gujarat.
>> >>> Here
>> >>> > also,
>> >>> > > the Sachar Committee dispels the myth.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The report counters the propaganda that injustice is being done to
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > Muslim community in Gujarat
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The per month per capita income of Muslims in urban Gujarat is an
>> >>> average
>> >>> > > Rs 875 â more than the national average of Rs 804. In contrast, it
>> >>> is
>> >>> > Rs
>> >>> > > 662 in UP, Rs 748 in West Bengal, Rs 811 in Punjab, Rs 803 in
>> >>> Andhra
>> >>> > > Pradesh and Rs 837 in Karnataka.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > In rural Gujarat, the per capita monthly income of Muslims is
>> >>> 20-25%
>> >>> more
>> >>> > > than the Muslims living in rural areas of most other states. On an
>> >>> > > average, it comes to Rs 668 compared to the national average of Rs
>> >>> 553.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > In terms of Muslims living below poverty line, Gujarat improved
>> >>> from
>> >>> 54%
>> >>> > > in 1987-88 to 34% in 2004-2005, showing a healthy pace of
>> >>> improvement.
>> >>> > > Even in terms of share of Muslims in state employment, it is 5.4%
>> >>> in
>> >>> > > Gujarat while it is 2.1% in West Bengal, 3.2% in Delhi and 4.4% in
>> >>> > > Maharashtra.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Overall, the total picture counters the propaganda that injustice
>> >>> is
>> >>> > being
>> >>> > > done to Muslims in Gujarat. The Sachar Committee on educational
>> >>> condition
>> >>> > > clearly shows that the Muslims of Gujarat are progressing well in
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > field of education and economic well-being. They are well cared
>> >>> for.
>> >>> The
>> >>> > > facts on their economic conditions dispel similar myths about
>> their
>> >>> being
>> >>> > > discriminated against or being denied equal opportunity.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The fact is echoed by the Imam of Jama Masjid in Ahmedabad, who
>> >>> > reportedly
>> >>> > > commented sometime back "Muslims have an opportunity to prosper in
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > peaceful environment that the Modi government has created. Modi
>> has
>> >>> > > provided an atmosphere which is conducive for those who want to
>> >>> trade
>> >>> > > peacefully in Gujarat".
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The Sachar report indirectly challenges other states to emulate
>> >>> Modi's
>> >>> > > policy of secular development and ânationalise' it.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Ironically, vociferous secularists are silent regarding the
>> >>> findings.
>> >>> > They
>> >>> > > continue to focus on Modi-1 as branded during the 2002 carnage and
>> >>> > > Sohrabuddin encounter â a chief minister habitually noted to
>> >>> dishonour
>> >>> > > the rule of law, a friend of corporate magnets to the detriment of
>> >>> > > villagers and SEZ-affected disadvantaged.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > However, there is popularly a more accepted Modi-2 â a dynamic CM
>> >>> > > realising the Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor, the Special
>> >>> Investment
>> >>> > > Regions, port-based development, âHopenhagen', BRTS, GDP, and much
>> >>> > more.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > But the two Modis fail to merge as some anti-Modi ideologues
>> refuse
>> >>> to
>> >>> > > discern the significant transformation in his leadership.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Can Modi, hubris-free, demonstrate his transformation to abridge
>> >>> this
>> >>> > > perception-reality gap?
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Source Link:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/article/59/20100527201005270359478766a84c375/Gujarat%E2%80%99s-secular-development.html
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
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