[Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development

[Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi]

Come on Rakesh, do not make a rajdeep sardesai style putting the words in to
others mouth, where did I say Anupam is crazy, it was about the freedom of
expression and the crazy use of it to express my crazy ideas on this sarai
list. :-)

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:

> And dear Rajen bhai
>
> Democracy is also such a crazy concept that it gave you the right to call
> Anupam jee as crazy. Otherwise you would have had to bow to your beloved
> Modi to provide you that right.
>
> Rakesh
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Democracy is such a crzy concept that it gives all of us to express
>> ourselves, Anupam, may be not in the politburo but sure in this list.!
>> regards,
>> rajen
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:04 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > how, you, Rajendra, as a male with your such and such leanings have the
>> > authority to talk of Muslim women wearing hijab and the conditions of
>> > Azamgarh? did they tell you personally that they are oppressed? just
>> how?
>> > who gives you that right? please explain.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> > rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rakesh, it is very easy to get into blame game, for the errors of few
>> >> "admirers" who made the mistake of hardsell the Modi image, with photos
>> >> from
>> >> Azamgarh girls in the Shibli College, if at all, little efforts were
>> made,
>> >> there are enough muslim young women who are well educated in Gujarath,
>> >> with
>> >> good mobility seeking jobs, getting them in places like Noida,
>> Bangalore,
>> >> Chennai, staying in PG accommodation without the hassles of hijab, and
>> the
>> >> fact that the photo has "traditional" faces of islamic girls says so
>> much
>> >> about the rigid truth of the Azamgarh.
>> >> It is unfortunate that today, everything in politics is about
>> management
>> >> of
>> >> perceptions, on one side the hate campaign for Modi bashings, on the
>> other
>> >> hand, efforts to whitewash the image of "secular" Modi, what really
>> >> required
>> >> for free india today is the governance without any labels for delivery
>> of
>> >> good of governance, unfettered by faith, caste and regions.Nitish who
>> had
>> >> supped the power for all these years with percieved "communal" BJP is
>> >> suddenly aware of this perception management and now makes blank noice
>> >> with
>> >> elections in view and his rival lalu rubbing his hands in glee. Even at
>> >> the
>> >> cost of dividing the votes both these leaders have been guilty of
>> managing
>> >> the perceptions like all the leaders in political arena.
>> >> Sadly, none seem to pay attention to details of the present and give
>> more
>> >> stress on the past, even if they are only managed perceptions that Modi
>> is
>> >> butcher.?
>> >> regards,
>> >> rajen.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Indeed, Gujarat has a secular development, which was being showcased
>> by
>> >> > Narendra Modi (or his sympathizers at least) in the form of ads
>> >> published
>> >> > in
>> >> > Bihar papers, which interestingly had a photo of girls learning
>> computer
>> >> > education. Sadly for whoever got the advertisement published, truth
>> >> emerged
>> >> > that the photos were of a college in Azamgarh and not in Gujarat,
>> >> neither
>> >> > were the girls Gujarati or sent by the Gujarat govt. to Azamgarh as
>> part
>> >> of
>> >> > a scholarship.
>> >> >
>> >> > It would be interesting if the Gujarat govt. does showcase this
>> secular
>> >> > development in the form of encouraging journalists and other ordinary
>> >> > citizens to come to Gujarat and see for themselves the condition of
>> >> > Muslims,
>> >> > rather than sympathizers of Modi putting out such dubious ads in
>> >> > newspapers.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The biggest problem with the Gujarat govt. including Modi is that
>> they
>> >> > don't
>> >> > have the guts to give answers, but instead point to the wrong
>> questions.
>> >> > When somebody asks about justice for post-Godhra victims, Modi turns
>> to
>> >> the
>> >> > agricultural growth of the state. This is extremely dubious. After
>> all,
>> >> if
>> >> > a
>> >> > state has positive agricultural growth (which is indeed an
>> achievement),
>> >> > why
>> >> > should we be questioning Modi at all on it? Just to ensure he gets
>> >> > publicity? Any politician or public authority is questioned for the
>> >> wrong
>> >> > or
>> >> > controversial decisions he/she had taken at some point of time.
>> Instead
>> >> of
>> >> > having the guts and the conviction to answer the truth and accept
>> one's
>> >> own
>> >> > mistakes, Modi and his sympathizers and partymen only parrot the
>> >> positives
>> >> > as if Narendra Modi is God who can do no wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> > They yet don't have the guts to say sorry for what happened in 2002,
>> >> when
>> >> > ironically a Manmohan Singh (who had no control over what happened in
>> >> > 1984),
>> >> > said sorry for 1984. The 'sorry' won't mean justice has been done,
>> but
>> >> the
>> >> > 'sorry' indeed will be a big change as it will mean a reflection on
>> the
>> >> > fact
>> >> > that irrespective of their belief that Muslims are traitors or are
>> not
>> >> > patriotic to the Indian nationhood, a RSS-karyakarta-turned CM would
>> >> have
>> >> > accepted that he failed in protecting their lives as Indian citizens
>> and
>> >> > violated the Indian constitution in that manner, and that he promises
>> >> that
>> >> > such a thing will never happen in future. But he won't say sorry,
>> >> because
>> >> > he
>> >> > hardly cares about those who died, and it would instead affect his
>> >> public
>> >> > image in Gujarat as a Hindutva hardliner.
>> >> >
>> >> > It is indeed wrong when we bring every question of Gujarat's
>> development
>> >> > back to 2002. But to forget 2002 would be dubious because what Modi
>> has
>> >> > done
>> >> > and got away with will encourage other CM's also to do the same and
>> win
>> >> > elections on the dead bodies of people. Modi would have himself been
>> >> > encouraged by the 1984 pogrom organized by Congress which got away
>> with
>> >> it.
>> >> > Therefore, it's time people like Modi are taken to task for having
>> >> messed
>> >> > around with the Indian criminal judicial system and the lives of
>> >> innocents.
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, Shiv Sena constructed many mosques after coming to power
>> in
>> >> > Maharashtra (on the plank of having 'protected Hindus'). That doesn't
>> >> > absolve them of what they did before coming to power, i.e. killing
>> >> > innocents. Your good deeds can't absolve you of your bad ones. And
>> that
>> >> > should be understood clearly.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rakesh
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> Rajen.
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Rajen.