[Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development

Sun Jun 13 18:16:51 IST 2010

Rajdeep is too much for me to bear. I would rather be Vinod Dua or Mrinal
Pande if I can.

Rakesh

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:

> Come on Rakesh, do not make a rajdeep sardesai style putting the words in
> to others mouth, where did I say Anupam is crazy, it was about the freedom
> of expression and the crazy use of it to express my crazy ideas on this
> sarai list. :-)
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> And dear Rajen bhai
>>
>> Democracy is also such a crazy concept that it gave you the right to call
>> Anupam jee as crazy. Otherwise you would have had to bow to your beloved
>> Modi to provide you that right.
>>
>> Rakesh
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Democracy is such a crzy concept that it gives all of us to express
>>> ourselves, Anupam, may be not in the politburo but sure in this list.!
>>> regards,
>>> rajen
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:04 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > how, you, Rajendra, as a male with your such and such leanings have the
>>> > authority to talk of Muslim women wearing hijab and the conditions of
>>> > Azamgarh? did they tell you personally that they are oppressed? just
>>> how?
>>> > who gives you that right? please explain.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>>> > rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Rakesh, it is very easy to get into blame game, for the errors of few
>>> >> "admirers" who made the mistake of hardsell the Modi image, with
>>> photos
>>> >> from
>>> >> Azamgarh girls in the Shibli College, if at all, little efforts were
>>> made,
>>> >> there are enough muslim young women who are well educated in Gujarath,
>>> >> with
>>> >> good mobility seeking jobs, getting them in places like Noida,
>>> Bangalore,
>>> >> Chennai, staying in PG accommodation without the hassles of hijab, and
>>> the
>>> >> fact that the photo has "traditional" faces of islamic girls says so
>>> much
>>> >> about the rigid truth of the Azamgarh.
>>> >> It is unfortunate that today, everything in politics is about
>>> management
>>> >> of
>>> >> perceptions, on one side the hate campaign for Modi bashings, on the
>>> other
>>> >> hand, efforts to whitewash the image of "secular" Modi, what really
>>> >> required
>>> >> for free india today is the governance without any labels for delivery
>>> of
>>> >> good of governance, unfettered by faith, caste and regions.Nitish who
>>> had
>>> >> supped the power for all these years with percieved "communal" BJP is
>>> >> suddenly aware of this perception management and now makes blank noice
>>> >> with
>>> >> elections in view and his rival lalu rubbing his hands in glee. Even
>>> at
>>> >> the
>>> >> cost of dividing the votes both these leaders have been guilty of
>>> managing
>>> >> the perceptions like all the leaders in political arena.
>>> >> Sadly, none seem to pay attention to details of the present and give
>>> more
>>> >> stress on the past, even if they are only managed perceptions that
>>> Modi is
>>> >> butcher.?
>>> >> regards,
>>> >> rajen.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Indeed, Gujarat has a secular development, which was being showcased
>>> by
>>> >> > Narendra Modi (or his sympathizers at least) in the form of ads
>>> >> published
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > Bihar papers, which interestingly had a photo of girls learning
>>> computer
>>> >> > education. Sadly for whoever got the advertisement published, truth
>>> >> emerged
>>> >> > that the photos were of a college in Azamgarh and not in Gujarat,
>>> >> neither
>>> >> > were the girls Gujarati or sent by the Gujarat govt. to Azamgarh as
>>> part
>>> >> of
>>> >> > a scholarship.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It would be interesting if the Gujarat govt. does showcase this
>>> secular
>>> >> > development in the form of encouraging journalists and other
>>> ordinary
>>> >> > citizens to come to Gujarat and see for themselves the condition of
>>> >> > Muslims,
>>> >> > rather than sympathizers of Modi putting out such dubious ads in
>>> >> > newspapers.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The biggest problem with the Gujarat govt. including Modi is that
>>> they
>>> >> > don't
>>> >> > have the guts to give answers, but instead point to the wrong
>>> questions.
>>> >> > When somebody asks about justice for post-Godhra victims, Modi turns
>>> to
>>> >> the
>>> >> > agricultural growth of the state. This is extremely dubious. After
>>> all,
>>> >> if
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > state has positive agricultural growth (which is indeed an
>>> achievement),
>>> >> > why
>>> >> > should we be questioning Modi at all on it? Just to ensure he gets
>>> >> > publicity? Any politician or public authority is questioned for the
>>> >> wrong
>>> >> > or
>>> >> > controversial decisions he/she had taken at some point of time.
>>> Instead
>>> >> of
>>> >> > having the guts and the conviction to answer the truth and accept
>>> one's
>>> >> own
>>> >> > mistakes, Modi and his sympathizers and partymen only parrot the
>>> >> positives
>>> >> > as if Narendra Modi is God who can do no wrong.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > They yet don't have the guts to say sorry for what happened in 2002,
>>> >> when
>>> >> > ironically a Manmohan Singh (who had no control over what happened
>>> in
>>> >> > 1984),
>>> >> > said sorry for 1984. The 'sorry' won't mean justice has been done,
>>> but
>>> >> the
>>> >> > 'sorry' indeed will be a big change as it will mean a reflection on
>>> the
>>> >> > fact
>>> >> > that irrespective of their belief that Muslims are traitors or are
>>> not
>>> >> > patriotic to the Indian nationhood, a RSS-karyakarta-turned CM would
>>> >> have
>>> >> > accepted that he failed in protecting their lives as Indian citizens
>>> and
>>> >> > violated the Indian constitution in that manner, and that he
>>> promises
>>> >> that
>>> >> > such a thing will never happen in future. But he won't say sorry,
>>> >> because
>>> >> > he
>>> >> > hardly cares about those who died, and it would instead affect his
>>> >> public
>>> >> > image in Gujarat as a Hindutva hardliner.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It is indeed wrong when we bring every question of Gujarat's
>>> development
>>> >> > back to 2002. But to forget 2002 would be dubious because what Modi
>>> has
>>> >> > done
>>> >> > and got away with will encourage other CM's also to do the same and
>>> win
>>> >> > elections on the dead bodies of people. Modi would have himself been
>>> >> > encouraged by the 1984 pogrom organized by Congress which got away
>>> with
>>> >> it.
>>> >> > Therefore, it's time people like Modi are taken to task for having
>>> >> messed
>>> >> > around with the Indian criminal judicial system and the lives of
>>> >> innocents.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > By the way, Shiv Sena constructed many mosques after coming to power
>>> in
>>> >> > Maharashtra (on the plank of having 'protected Hindus'). That
>>> doesn't
>>> >> > absolve them of what they did before coming to power, i.e. killing
>>> >> > innocents. Your good deeds can't absolve you of your bad ones. And
>>> that
>>> >> > should be understood clearly.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Rakesh
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Rajen.
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
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> --
> Rajen.
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