[Reader-list] More on little kashmiri boys

[A.K. Malik]

Dear Durrani Sahib,
                       "Khor" is very common word meaning khanewala or eater as Mr Junaid had pointed out.You must definitely have heard the word Aadam Khor usually being used for tigers who become  man-eaters. It is very widely used though  the word Bacha Khor is very rarely used but was able to make out its meaning thinking that it is similar to the word Aadam Khor.
Regards,

(A.K.MALIK)


--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] More on little kashmiri boys
> To: "Junaid" <justjunaid at gmail.com>
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:11 AM
> I havent come across "Baccha Khor '
> as "Adam Khor " is used in urdu.
> 
> Neverthless ....i still buy your argument .... we are used
> to believe
> by heart and not by mind.
> 
> Pawan
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear Pawan,
> >
> > Thanks for your translation effort. It is just that
> "Baccha Khor" is
> > not a Kashmiri word but an Urdu one--and means "child
> eater" or
> > "child-killer" as in "Aadam Khor"--the man-eater.
> There is a Kashmiri
> > (countryside) phrase too which sounds similar, but
> simple logic would
> > suggest the use of that meaning will make no sense in
> the context.
> >
> > Also, I took the word "Baccha Khor" from the article
> that Sonia had
> > posted. I don't particularly have any liking for
> verbal overkill.
> >
> > Keep well,
> > Junaid
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> For those who do not understand Kashmiri , Junaid
> has written that the
> >> 10 day old Irfan was killed by "Baccha Khor".
> >>
> >> The rough translation of that is "Naughty Boy".
> >>
> >> So , the killers have become naughty boys...
> >>
> >> God bless the society .....
> >>
> >> Pawan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> A brief addition to our little conversation:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbS_Qu0Re8g
> >>>
> >>> Junaid
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> Hi Sonia,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for sending in Ahmed Ali Fayaz's
> interesting report on "Bacha
> >>>> Khour" gang. It surely does complicate our
> understanding of how
> >>>> "stone-pelters" have  developed multiple
> connections. At 12 and 13
> >>>> years' of age these hardened criminals
> seem to be quite savvy and
> >>>> entrepreneurial, enough to play around
> with the politicians, the
> >>>> police, the separatists, and even the CM!
> These ruffians with very
> >>>> terrifying names: Meena Kumari, Itchguard,
> the lowest of the urchins,
> >>>> seem to have suddenly become a pain for
> all the above grandees, but
> >>>> above all to the "silent majority," the
> "99 percent of the
> >>>> population--which according to the article
> is constituted by an
> >>>> "influential businessmen", " a "trader"
> and the "Beopar Mandal
> >>>> president"--who is also a "Jammati-Islami
> rakun."
> >>>>
> >>>> It is surprising that the silent majority
> of old town Baramulla was on
> >>>> the streets not too long ago. In the
> protests against Amarnath land
> >>>> grab, old town Baramulla's silent majority
> was the first one to come
> >>>> out to protest. The first major rally
> started from there. More than
> >>>> 60000 people from Old Town and adjoining
> villages came out for the
> >>>> "Muzzafarabad Chalo" march. It was people
> from this place who were
> >>>> killed, around 5 of them, when Indian
> troops fired at the rally in
> >>>> Sangrama, which also killed Hurriyat
> leader Sheikh Aziz. Overall,
> >>>> since 2008 around 20 people have been
> killed in the town by the CRPF,
> >>>> and one by the "bacha khour"
> stone-pelters. The unfortunate death of
> >>>> Irfan is uncondonable and those
> responsible should be brought to
> >>>> book--yet in all likelihood it looks like
> it was accidental, if you
> >>>> heard what the mother had to say.
> >>>>
> >>>> Accident or whatever, it was cruel. There
> are only very few deaths and
> >>>> injuries in Kashmir that evoke "aahs" and
> "uffs" of our Dilliwala
> >>>> bleeding-hearts or stir media houses into
> a frenzy to sip to the last
> >>>> dregs "tragic human stories" (which, for
> them, are actually feel-good
> >>>> stories--"well, see, we are not the only
> ones doing the
> >>>> killings"--even if we do most of them!).
> So, I am not surprised about
> >>>> the media "reaction" to Irfan's death. It
> is the same media which just
> >>>> celebrated CBI's criminal report on
> Shopian rape case. There is a fine
> >>>> line between objectivity and nationalism,
> and Indian media is not only
> >>>> unaware of it, but has placed itself at
> the unethical end of
> >>>> right-wing nationalism.
> >>>>
> >>>> Old town Baramulla has always defied
> government control and it is not
> >>>> a new  feature. These old towns and the
> downtowns are the working
> >>>> class hubs in the Kashmir valley, but they
> are also centers for
> >>>> small-scale artisans, who don't care about
> government jobs.
> >>>> Businessmen, really, do not form the
> silent majority there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Geelani sahab and his Islamist followers
> are worried that these
> >>>> stone-pelters are on their own, that they
> don't listen to them. Which
> >>>> is kind of the opposite of what he wanted
> at the Eid Gah rally in
> >>>> 2008, where in front of a million people
> he claimed to be the sole
> >>>> leader of Kashmiris, amid boos and eewws.
> >>>>
> >>>> I understand that your earnestness in
> posting these news-reports is in
> >>>> good faith, and it is not a feel-good
> thing for you. I, like you, hope
> >>>> that those who were involved are
> punished.
> >>>>
> >>>> Junaid
> >>>>
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