[Reader-list] More on little kashmiri boys

[Pawan Durani]

Dear Malik Sahab,

Being a Kashmiri myself , i know how 'khor' is used by Kashmiri's. I hope
you can trust a Kashmiri for that.

Why not ask Sonia ?

Pawan

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:29 PM, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Durrani Sahib,
>                       "Khor" is very common word meaning khanewala or eater
> as Mr Junaid had pointed out.You must definitely have heard the word Aadam
> Khor usually being used for tigers who become  man-eaters. It is very widely
> used though  the word Bacha Khor is very rarely used but was able to make
> out its meaning thinking that it is similar to the word Aadam Khor.
> Regards,
>
> (A.K.MALIK)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] More on little kashmiri boys
> > To: "Junaid" <justjunaid at gmail.com>
> > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:11 AM
> > I havent come across "Baccha Khor '
> > as "Adam Khor " is used in urdu.
> >
> > Neverthless ....i still buy your argument .... we are used
> > to believe
> > by heart and not by mind.
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Pawan,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your translation effort. It is just that
> > "Baccha Khor" is
> > > not a Kashmiri word but an Urdu one--and means "child
> > eater" or
> > > "child-killer" as in "Aadam Khor"--the man-eater.
> > There is a Kashmiri
> > > (countryside) phrase too which sounds similar, but
> > simple logic would
> > > suggest the use of that meaning will make no sense in
> > the context.
> > >
> > > Also, I took the word "Baccha Khor" from the article
> > that Sonia had
> > > posted. I don't particularly have any liking for
> > verbal overkill.
> > >
> > > Keep well,
> > > Junaid
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> For those who do not understand Kashmiri , Junaid
> > has written that the
> > >> 10 day old Irfan was killed by "Baccha Khor".
> > >>
> > >> The rough translation of that is "Naughty Boy".
> > >>
> > >> So , the killers have become naughty boys...
> > >>
> > >> God bless the society .....
> > >>
> > >> Pawan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> A brief addition to our little conversation:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbS_Qu0Re8g
> > >>>
> > >>> Junaid
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Junaid <justjunaid at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>> Hi Sonia,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks for sending in Ahmed Ali Fayaz's
> > interesting report on "Bacha
> > >>>> Khour" gang. It surely does complicate our
> > understanding of how
> > >>>> "stone-pelters" have  developed multiple
> > connections. At 12 and 13
> > >>>> years' of age these hardened criminals
> > seem to be quite savvy and
> > >>>> entrepreneurial, enough to play around
> > with the politicians, the
> > >>>> police, the separatists, and even the CM!
> > These ruffians with very
> > >>>> terrifying names: Meena Kumari, Itchguard,
> > the lowest of the urchins,
> > >>>> seem to have suddenly become a pain for
> > all the above grandees, but
> > >>>> above all to the "silent majority," the
> > "99 percent of the
> > >>>> population--which according to the article
> > is constituted by an
> > >>>> "influential businessmen", " a "trader"
> > and the "Beopar Mandal
> > >>>> president"--who is also a "Jammati-Islami
> > rakun."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is surprising that the silent majority
> > of old town Baramulla was on
> > >>>> the streets not too long ago. In the
> > protests against Amarnath land
> > >>>> grab, old town Baramulla's silent majority
> > was the first one to come
> > >>>> out to protest. The first major rally
> > started from there. More than
> > >>>> 60000 people from Old Town and adjoining
> > villages came out for the
> > >>>> "Muzzafarabad Chalo" march. It was people
> > from this place who were
> > >>>> killed, around 5 of them, when Indian
> > troops fired at the rally in
> > >>>> Sangrama, which also killed Hurriyat
> > leader Sheikh Aziz. Overall,
> > >>>> since 2008 around 20 people have been
> > killed in the town by the CRPF,
> > >>>> and one by the "bacha khour"
> > stone-pelters. The unfortunate death of
> > >>>> Irfan is uncondonable and those
> > responsible should be brought to
> > >>>> book--yet in all likelihood it looks like
> > it was accidental, if you
> > >>>> heard what the mother had to say.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Accident or whatever, it was cruel. There
> > are only very few deaths and
> > >>>> injuries in Kashmir that evoke "aahs" and
> > "uffs" of our Dilliwala
> > >>>> bleeding-hearts or stir media houses into
> > a frenzy to sip to the last
> > >>>> dregs "tragic human stories" (which, for
> > them, are actually feel-good
> > >>>> stories--"well, see, we are not the only
> > ones doing the
> > >>>> killings"--even if we do most of them!).
> > So, I am not surprised about
> > >>>> the media "reaction" to Irfan's death. It
> > is the same media which just
> > >>>> celebrated CBI's criminal report on
> > Shopian rape case. There is a fine
> > >>>> line between objectivity and nationalism,
> > and Indian media is not only
> > >>>> unaware of it, but has placed itself at
> > the unethical end of
> > >>>> right-wing nationalism.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Old town Baramulla has always defied
> > government control and it is not
> > >>>> a new  feature. These old towns and the
> > downtowns are the working
> > >>>> class hubs in the Kashmir valley, but they
> > are also centers for
> > >>>> small-scale artisans, who don't care about
> > government jobs.
> > >>>> Businessmen, really, do not form the
> > silent majority there.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Geelani sahab and his Islamist followers
> > are worried that these
> > >>>> stone-pelters are on their own, that they
> > don't listen to them. Which
> > >>>> is kind of the opposite of what he wanted
> > at the Eid Gah rally in
> > >>>> 2008, where in front of a million people
> > he claimed to be the sole
> > >>>> leader of Kashmiris, amid boos and eewws.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I understand that your earnestness in
> > posting these news-reports is in
> > >>>> good faith, and it is not a feel-good
> > thing for you. I, like you, hope
> > >>>> that those who were involved are
> > punished.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Junaid
> > >>>>
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