[Reader-list] Taliban is the future

[Kshmendra Kaul]

Dear Yasir
 
It was meant to be a comment on Ayesha Siddiqa's article and not anything you wrote. That is why I did not address you by name. Apologies for having seemed to convey it differently.
 
India join OIC? No! Sir! 
 
India's attempt at Joining / Observer-Status at the OIC is just one of the idiocies that India indulges in every now and then.
 
Whatever else might be the uses and misuses of the OIC, it is a disgusting shame that the UNO should afford recognition to any such grouping put together by identification with a particular religion.
 
About possibilities in "Islamic-Frameworks":
 
- Left? Radical? Most certainly. In bits and pieces. 
 
- Liberal? Most certainly not. It would no more be "Islamic". That is why "Islamic" and "Secular" do not go together. 
 
Liberal = We accept you; You accept us; On a mutuality of terms
 
Islamic = We accept you on our terms; You accept us on our terms.
 
This Non-Liberal facet of Islam holds true not only for Inter-Faith relationships, but also for Intra-Faith relationships depending on which is the dominating Group who can dictate terms.
 
Kshmendra
 

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:


From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Taliban is the future
To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 12:58 AM


absolutely not. why should we be under any illusion of 'secularism'. you did
not find me saying that, in all that i wrote. these are your own barriers.
as you well know secular institutions can be hijacked by religious parties
and mafias. think neocons, think india. you are really being too harsh.

india should just join the oic, india's muslim population is larger than
pakistan. as it is saudis are mediating... is will probably join as
observer.

don't misquote me. although not so common, i think "islamic' frameworks can
be sufficiently liberal, left and radical. you can quote me on that.

best



On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>wrote:

>  A first step for considering any kind of 'secularity' in Pakistan would
> be:
>
> - when Pakistan removes the word "Islamic" from its Constitution (and
> attendant clauses on Legislation and Laws)
>
> - when Pakistan opts out of the membership of the OIC
>
> Till such time, talking about anything secular about Pakistan are
> intellectual exercises; indulgences.
>
> Kshmendra
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/11/10, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Taliban is the future
> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 2:31 AM
>
> >
> > The proliferation of ‘jihad’ in mainland Pakistan is but
> > the opportunity cost of strategy.
> >
>
> she is arguing that jihad and religion is instrumental for mainstream pk.
> and is skeptical of the claim either way for the military command as well.
> further by saying "a similar claim might not be made for society at large",
> she actually sez nothing about pakistani society at large, having only
> removed the certainty of a two-mode religious v secular military. best, y.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:33 PM, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sonia.jabbar@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The military’s ideology
> > By Ayesha Siddiqa
> > Friday, 25 Sep, 2009
> >
> >
> > PAKISTAN observers often wonder what the Pakistan military’s primary
> > ideology is. Is it a secular institution or one which is high on
> religious
> > values? Since the military is considered the strongest institution of the
> > Pakistani state, the question becomes c
> >
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