[Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mock anti-terror drill
Shuddhabrata Sengupta
shuddha at sarai.net
Tue Mar 16 11:24:57 IST 2010
Dear Pawan,
You seem to forget, that I, contrary to your expectations of what you
think a 'liberal' would say, have always spoken against a premature
identification of the perpetrators of any terrorist outrages by
communal tags. This applies even to the case of the Pune bombings,
where even a piece by Praveen Swami, whom I think you admire for his
work in and on Kashmir, suggested that there might be a 'hindu' hand.
Even in that case, I cateogorically stated, that the 'identity' of
terrorists is not an issue that should be played around with in loose
terms.
My comment on your posting was necessary because you objected against
the use of the word 'Muslim' as a prefix in the title of a posting on
this list concerning the policeman who was attacked by his colleague
in Gujarat. I merely wished to point out that you, yourself, are
guilty of the same practice in the title of your posting on the Pune
terror attacks.
I believe in being fair. I believe that if it is wrong to
unnecessarily emphasize the identity of those who attack or are
attacked, then this principle applies in all cases. I believe in
freedom of expression for both M.F. Husain and for Taslima Nasreen. I
do not distinguish between Hindu, Muslim, Maoists, Marxists or
Scientologists when it comes to the discussion of their stupidities,
weaknesses, venality, or of their being oppressed and put upon.
However, I find that you, and others like you on this list constantly
harangue us with the specialness of being who you are. I find your
narcissism deeply disturbing, unhealthy and vicious.
best
Shuddha
On 16-Mar-10, at 11:09 AM, Pawan Durani wrote:
> Dear Shuddha ,
>
> Happy Navreh,
>
> Much as I know that it is your compulsion to oppose my view ,
> nevertheless it makes for an interesting reading .
>
> Well tried is all I can say.
>
> You have quoted my subject line dated 16th Feb, Please check the
> following link
>
> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pune-blast-investigation-police-detain-
> two/110208-3.html
>
> It states "Investigators suspect the role of the Indian Mujahideen
> (IM) and the Pakistan based Lashkar-e-Taiba group in Saturday's blast
> in German Bakery in Pune in which 9 persons were killed. The Home
> Ministry is categorical that the attack was planned in Pakistan."
>
> Please read the complete article and you would come to know who are
> the suspects.
>
> What do I call Lashkar & Indian Mujahideen ? Do I deny the fact that
> these are Islamic Fascist ?
>
> You continue to remain denial mode for even Batla house as well . It
> is this compulsion of remaining obsessive to ones own thought that has
> bought down the ideology you follow .....across the world. And you
> continue to remain in denial.
>
> Please make a charter of what all false things I need to write to call
> myself a Liberal , Sickular , Pro Minority ?
>
> Do I have to be one line you to qualify ?
>
>
>
> Pawan
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
>> Dear Pawan,
>> Spare us the piety. And the next time you want to get
>> hypocritical, try and
>> do it with a little more elegance.
>> Last month, you sent a posting on this list with the following
>> heading.
>> [Reader-list] Pune: Islamic terror?
>> Date: 16 February 2010 11:10:06 AM GMT+05:30
>> We know that there was an act of terrorism in Pune.
>> We do not know as yet the identity of the perpetrators.
>> They could be Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Believers in UFOs, anything.
>> Investigations are underway.
>> There as strong, albeit hypothetical, grounds for assuming that
>> they could
>> be linked to the 'Abhinav Bharat' group, who happen to be
>> Hinduvadis. Pune
>> is their stronghold. They have everything to gain from a 'false flag'
>> operation, especially in the wake of the drubbing that the Shiv Sena
>> received on the 'My Name is Khan' issue, and in anticipation of
>> the way in
>> which yet another attack would have queered the pitch on the
>> resumption of
>> the India-Pakistan dialogue process. There could be equally
>> strong, and
>> equally hypothetical grounds for assuming that the Pune attack was
>> the work
>> of Islamists. In such cases, it is best not to weigh in in any one
>> direction. But you did not do that, did you?
>> I have publicly said on the list that we should never jump to
>> conclusions
>> about the 'identity' of terrorism, and have even supported the
>> right of
>> known Hindu Fundamentalists to be considered innocent vis-a-vis
>> terrorist
>> outrages until and unless proved guilty in a free, fair and
>> transparent
>> trial.
>> So, when you title a posting - " Pune: Islamic Terror? ", you are
>> surely
>> imposing your twisted and sick communal agenda on this list. At
>> least in the
>> case of the Gujarat incident, we know what the identity of the
>> policeman who
>> was shot happened to have been. I do not support putting
>> 'identity' tags on
>> the headings of any discussions on this list. But you, in
>> particular, are in
>> no position to adopt a holier than thou attitude on this matter.
>> So, look before you leap. You don't want to end up falling on your
>> face, do
>> you?
>> best
>> Shuddha
>> On 15-Mar-10, at 6:02 PM, Pawan Durani wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Kshemendra ,
>> I hope the moderators of SARAI would look into how this forum is
>> misused .
>> Indeed when we type Gujarat Muslim DCP Muslim inspector the only
>> 'proof' we get is Javed's posting on SARAI.
>> And this is not the first time Javed has done that . I had tried to
>> convince the readers earlier as well .
>> Hope the moderators look into this and prevent misuse of Forum which
>> has members from across the world.
>> @Javed : you need to apologize to this group for your deliberate
>> mischief .
>> Pawan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Kshmendra Kaul
>> <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Javed very keenly identifies the ATS Inspector as a 'Muslim' and
>> places in
>> the Subject Field " Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector "
>> The word "Muslim" is nowhere to be found on the very weblink of
>> the article
>> as provided by Javed himself.
>> Not satisfied with having done so, Javed adds the comment "Even
>> Muslim
>> police officers are not safe from fake encounters...." (not to be
>> found on
>> the weblink provided by Javed)
>> One would have to be quite idiotic to not recognise Javed's
>> intentions in
>> making the incident "communal". Whatever be the actual 'story'
>> behind the
>> incident, as of now, there no reports of it having a "communal"
>> background.
>> It is quite likely that the "Muslimness" of the ATS Inspector will
>> get
>> mentioned and highlighted in further reporting of the incident and
>> commentaries on it. There are many Javed's around to do that. But
>> Javed of
>> SARAI "Reader List" will have the honour of being the first one to
>> do so.
>> This should please the Moderator(s) of SARAI Reader List.
>> I just did a string-search for gujarat-dcp-muslim-inspector. It
>> only throws
>> up Javed's SARAI Reader List mail. Oh Yes! Also a webpage from a
>> site
>> called coastaldigest.com with obvious ideological leanings
>> Kshmendra
>>
>>
>> Dan Husain dan.ayyaar at gmail.com
>> Mon Mar 15
>> Javed's intent, even if to sensationalize the event, is less
>> harmful then
>> actually shooting a man twice for no fault of his. And it is most
>> important
>> to tackle the intent of the man with a loaded gun shooting at
>> innocent
>> people. Whoever that man be. And if he is a functionary of the
>> state then it
>> becomes even more imperative to tackle it. Thanks.
>>
>> Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
>> Mon Mar 15
>> Dear C.Anupam ,
>> Did I say that any line has been said about Modi.
>> Would you google this news and check the subject line which has come
>> in newspapers .
>> ATS inspector injured by bullet during mock drill : PTI
>> Gujarat DCP shoots cop during mock-drill : Indian Express
>> Drill that mocked precautions & exposed inadequacies : Times Of India
>> And then you have a subject line in SARAI ,as follows
>> Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mock anti-terror drill :
>> Reader-List - SARAI
>> If you do not understand the intent of Javed's mail, then i regret of
>> trying to eductae you on his intent.
>> No more discussion on this from my side . Those who wish to ignore my
>> suggestions may continue to do so.
>> Remember ...till they come marching to your door.
>> Pawan
>>
>> From: Dan Husain <dan.ayyaar at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector
>> twice in mock
>> anti-terror drill
>> To:
>> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 3:48 PM
>> Dear Pawan:
>> I seldom respond on this list. But I think your response is most
>> flippant,
>> insensitive, callous, off the cuff, prejudiced, and most of all
>> laughable.
>> Think of it. It's like a nightmare. You go for a drill, perfectly
>> planned
>> out, everyone presumably knowing their roles, and suddenly you get
>> shot
>> twice in your stomach. What for? For what reason? Why? The guy was
>> just
>> doing his job. And he gets shot! Bizarre! Absolute nightmare. This is
>> outrageous. I am sure no one would like to live this experience.
>> And when
>> there were clear instructions that no arms to be taken in, why was
>> the DCP
>> carrying a loaded gun. And if he was why would he shoot someone
>> that too
>> twice. My mind belies any accident.
>> And I wonder what would turn you so blind that you'd eagerly
>> defend the
>> wrong too. I don't think anyone will like to be shot at for no
>> fault of
>> theirs. And yes if proven that the DCP shot at the guy with malice
>> and for
>> his religious identity then Modi is to be blamed because he has
>> actively
>> encouraged this mindset.
>> Thanks
>> Danish
>> PS: Please respond to this mailing list and not to me personally.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
>> Mon Mar 15
>> Pawan,
>> Not single line has been said against modi or BJP. Why are you
>> assuming? On what grounds? On the other hand, if these things are
>> not
>> brought towards the notice of the machinery which is at work, there
>> will be more such Saiyads dying in this way.
>> It is unfortunate that you are diverting the focus of the debate,
>> which should discuss things about police reforms across the
>> country to
>> a political issue. You are absolutely wrong about Javed's
>> intention to
>> post this news item and also using Narendra Modi to make a point
>> here.
>> Anupam
>>
>> Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
>> Mon Mar 15
>> And what a convenient subject line made aptly for Sarai . This is how
>> 'Liberals' are used by Javed and others.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Pawan Durani
>> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Yes Yes .. Let us blame Modi for this.
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ‘Sir, don’t... I am not a terrorist,’ pleaded ATS inspector as DCP
>> shot him twice
>> Even Muslim police officers are not safe from fake encounters....
>> Surat: Posted: Sunday , Mar 14, 2010 at 0319 hrs
>> “Sir, don’t... I am not a terrorist.”
>> This is what Gujarat Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) inspector Shabbirali
>> Saiyed says he had shouted, just before Deputy Commissioner of Police
>> Subhash Trivedi shot him twice in the abdomen from point blank range
>> during the mock anti-terror drill that went haywire at the Surat
>> Airport on February 24.
>> Saiyed still cannot comprehend how and why he was shot by the senior
>> officer. No officer was supposed to carry or use live arms and
>> ammunition. That apart, Saiyed told The Sunday Express that the
>> entire
>> drill had been meticulously planned, including the exact role each
>> cop
>> would play. “All the officials in the drill had been briefed
>> thoroughly about the role of each. I was to be only an observer
>> tasked
>> to find out what mistakes the commandos and other officials commit
>> during rescue operations.”
>> DCP Subhash Trivedi, SP Barot of ATS and a few other officers were
>> tasked to act as doctors and rush to a bus in the parking lot of the
>> airport in which some officials acting as terrorists were holding
>> ‘passengers’ hostage.
>> Saiyed recalled: “Subhash Trivedi rushed to the bus and caught
>> hold of
>> me tightly, though I was supposed to be only an obeserver. I pleaded,
>> “Sir , don’t... I am not a terrorist, I am the observer.” But he
>> refused to let go of me and we had a scuffle. I was left
>> struggling to
>> get out of his clutches when he pulled out his service revolver and
>> opened fire, from point blank range. I fell and lost consciousness.”
>> The .38 calibre bullet entered through his stomach and exited. Saiyed
>> is still to recover but is now out of danger.
>> Interestingly, the DCP, according to Saiyed, was not even tasked to
>> take on or grapple with any ‘terrorist’ in the drill, since he was
>> acting as a member of a team of ‘doctors’ at the spot who would only
>> recce the scene to find out how many hostages and terrorists were in
>> the bus. “He was to have only ascertained their numbers to pass on
>> the
>> information to the others in the actual rescue team, so that they
>> could plan and execute the operation,” according to Inspector Saiyed.
>> Surat police Commisioner Shivanand Jha confirmed it. “Saiyed was
>> deputed as an observer on the spot. He was standing near the entry
>> door of bus. DCP Subhash Trivedi was tasked to act as a doctor to
>> recce the scene and find out how many hostages were being held by how
>> many terrorists, and the weapons they possessed.” The ‘doctor’,
>> apparently, was not expected to carry any weapon, much less a loaded
>> service revolver.
>> So what went horribly wrong? The police claim they have no answers to
>> share, yet. “We are still doing a free and fair investigation. At
>> this
>> moment it is difficult to come to any conclusion. We have taken the
>> statements of several airport staff who were also present there and
>> statements of several police officials who witnessed the incident,”
>> Jha said.
>> When The Sunday Express contacted Trivedi, he refused to comment.
>> The investigation is being headed by Jha’s deputy and ATS chief Ajay
>> Tomar. A complaint was registered at Umra police station soon after
>> Saiyed was shot while state DGP S S Khandwawala directed Tomar to
>> carry out a departmental inquiry.
>> “After preliminary investigations, we have found that the incident
>> was
>> an accident and the firing had not been done deliberately. But we are
>> waiting for the final report and the report from ballistic experts
>> before coming to any conclusion,” said Khandwawala. Asked if an FIR
>> would be registered against DCP Trivedi, Khandwawala said: “Let the
>> report come and later, on its basis, we will take further action.
>> Both
>> the officials are from police department _ they are not some
>> criminals
>> _ so it is premature to say anything at this juncture.”
>>
>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sir-dont...-i-am-not-a-terrorist-
>> pleaded-ats-inspector-as-dcp-shot-him-twice/590554/0
>>
>>
>>
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