[Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mock anti-terror drill

[Pawan Durani]

Sir ,

What i stated regarding Pune blast was Police version. Even arrests
have been made regarding that .

If you wish to live in denial mode , that is your choice to live with.

Being a nationalist , i find your thoughts very mischievous ,
objectionable, and devious.

Lastly , the denial mode of yours still continue with Batla House encounter.

Even our red neighboring country , with whom you share your
ideological thought is suffering from a known terrorism.

Do I have to write what ? Or would you blame Hindus for that as well.

Obsessive word is so well defined in websters...

Pawan


On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
<shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> Dear Pawan,
> You seem to forget, that I, contrary to your expectations of what you think
> a 'liberal' would say, have always spoken against a premature identification
> of the perpetrators of any terrorist outrages by communal tags. This applies
> even to the case of the Pune bombings, where even a piece by Praveen Swami,
> whom I think you admire for his work in and on Kashmir, suggested that there
> might be a 'hindu' hand. Even in that case, I cateogorically stated, that
> the 'identity' of terrorists is not an issue that should be played around
> with in loose terms.
> My comment on your posting was necessary because you objected against the
> use of the word 'Muslim' as a prefix in the title of a posting on this list
> concerning the policeman who was attacked by his colleague in Gujarat. I
> merely wished to point out that you, yourself, are guilty of the same
> practice in the title of your posting on the Pune terror attacks.
> I believe in being fair. I believe that if it is wrong to unnecessarily
> emphasize the identity of those who attack or are attacked, then this
> principle applies in all cases. I believe in freedom of expression for both
> M.F. Husain and for Taslima Nasreen. I do not distinguish between Hindu,
> Muslim, Maoists, Marxists or Scientologists when it comes to the discussion
> of their stupidities, weaknesses, venality, or of their being oppressed and
> put upon.
> However, I find that you, and others like you on this list constantly
> harangue us with the specialness of being who you are. I find your
> narcissism deeply disturbing, unhealthy and vicious.
> best
> Shuddha
> On 16-Mar-10, at 11:09 AM, Pawan Durani wrote:
>
> Dear Shuddha ,
> Happy Navreh,
> Much as I know that it is your compulsion to oppose my view ,
> nevertheless it makes for an interesting reading .
> Well tried is all I can say.
> You have quoted my subject line dated 16th Feb, Please check the following
> link
> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pune-blast-investigation-police-detain-two/110208-3.html
> It states "Investigators suspect the role of the Indian Mujahideen
> (IM) and the Pakistan based Lashkar-e-Taiba group in Saturday's blast
> in German Bakery in Pune in which 9 persons were killed. The Home
> Ministry is categorical that the attack was planned in Pakistan."
> Please read the complete article and you would come to know who are
> the suspects.
> What do I call Lashkar & Indian Mujahideen ? Do I deny the fact that
> these are Islamic Fascist ?
> You continue to remain denial mode for even Batla house as well . It
> is this compulsion of remaining obsessive to ones own thought that has
> bought down the ideology you follow .....across the world. And you
> continue to remain in denial.
> Please make a charter of what all false things I need to write to call
> myself a Liberal , Sickular , Pro Minority ?
> Do I have to be one line you to qualify ?
>
>
> Pawan
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Pawan,
> Spare us the piety. And the next time you want to get hypocritical, try and
> do it with a little more elegance.
> Last month, you sent a posting on this list with the following heading.
> [Reader-list] Pune: Islamic terror?
> Date: 16 February 2010 11:10:06 AM GMT+05:30
> We know that there was an act of terrorism in Pune.
> We do not know as yet the identity of the perpetrators.
> They could be Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Believers in UFOs, anything.
> Investigations are underway.
> There as strong, albeit hypothetical, grounds for assuming that they could
> be linked to the 'Abhinav Bharat' group, who happen to be Hinduvadis. Pune
> is their stronghold. They have everything to gain from a 'false flag'
> operation, especially in the wake of the drubbing that the Shiv Sena
> received on the 'My Name is Khan' issue, and in anticipation of the way in
> which yet another attack would have queered the pitch on the resumption of
> the India-Pakistan dialogue process. There could be equally strong, and
> equally hypothetical grounds for assuming that the Pune attack was the work
> of Islamists. In such cases, it is best not to weigh in in any one
> direction. But you did not do that, did you?
> I have publicly said on the list that we should never jump to conclusions
> about the 'identity' of terrorism, and have even supported the right of
> known Hindu Fundamentalists to be considered innocent vis-a-vis terrorist
> outrages until and unless proved guilty in a free, fair and transparent
> trial.
> So, when you title a posting - " Pune: Islamic Terror? ", you are surely
> imposing your twisted and sick communal agenda on this list. At least in the
> case of the Gujarat incident, we know what the identity of the policeman who
> was shot happened to have been. I do not support putting 'identity' tags on
> the headings of any discussions on this list. But you, in particular, are in
> no position to adopt a holier than thou attitude on this matter.
> So, look before you leap. You don't want to end up falling on your face, do
> you?
> best
> Shuddha
> On 15-Mar-10, at 6:02 PM, Pawan Durani wrote:
> Thank you Kshemendra ,
> I hope the moderators of SARAI would look into how this forum is misused .
> Indeed when we type Gujarat Muslim DCP Muslim inspector the only
> 'proof' we get is Javed's posting on SARAI.
> And this is not the first time Javed has done that . I had tried to
> convince the readers earlier as well .
> Hope the moderators look into this and prevent misuse of Forum which
> has members from across the world.
> @Javed : you need to apologize to this group for your deliberate mischief .
> Pawan
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> Javed very keenly identifies the ATS Inspector as a 'Muslim' and places in
> the Subject Field " Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector "
> The word "Muslim" is nowhere to be found on the very weblink of the article
> as provided by Javed himself.
> Not satisfied with having done so, Javed adds the comment  "Even Muslim
> police officers are not safe from fake encounters...." (not to be found on
> the weblink provided by Javed)
> One would have to be quite idiotic to not recognise Javed's intentions in
> making the incident "communal". Whatever be the actual 'story' behind the
> incident, as of now, there no reports of it having a "communal" background.
> It is quite likely that the "Muslimness" of the ATS Inspector will get
> mentioned and highlighted in further reporting of the incident and
> commentaries on it. There are many Javed's around to do that. But Javed of
> SARAI "Reader List" will have the honour of being the first one to do so.
> This should please the Moderator(s) of SARAI Reader List.
> I just did a string-search for gujarat-dcp-muslim-inspector. It only throws
> up Javed's  SARAI Reader List mail. Oh Yes! Also a webpage from a site
> called coastaldigest.com with obvious ideological leanings
> Kshmendra
>
> Dan Husain dan.ayyaar at gmail.com
> Mon Mar 15
> Javed's intent, even if to sensationalize the event, is less harmful then
> actually shooting a man twice for no fault of his. And it is most important
> to tackle the intent of the man with a loaded gun shooting at innocent
> people. Whoever that man be. And if he is a functionary of the state then it
> becomes even more imperative to tackle it. Thanks.
> Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
> Mon Mar 15
> Dear C.Anupam ,
> Did I say that any line has been said about Modi.
> Would you google this news and check the subject line which has come
> in newspapers .
> ATS inspector injured by bullet during mock drill  : PTI
> Gujarat DCP shoots cop during mock-drill  : Indian Express
> Drill that mocked precautions & exposed inadequacies : Times Of India
> And then you have a subject line in SARAI ,as follows
> Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mock anti-terror drill :
> Reader-List - SARAI
> If you do not understand the intent of Javed's mail, then i regret of
> trying to eductae you on his intent.
> No more discussion on this from my side . Those who wish to ignore my
> suggestions may continue to do so.
> Remember ...till they come marching to your door.
> Pawan
> From: Dan Husain <dan.ayyaar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mock
> anti-terror drill
> To:
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 3:48 PM
> Dear Pawan:
> I seldom respond on this list. But I think your response is most flippant,
> insensitive, callous, off the cuff, prejudiced, and most of all laughable.
> Think of it. It's like a nightmare. You go for a drill, perfectly planned
> out, everyone presumably knowing their roles, and suddenly you get shot
> twice in your stomach. What for? For what reason? Why? The guy was just
> doing his job. And he gets shot! Bizarre! Absolute nightmare. This is
> outrageous. I am sure no one would like to live this experience. And when
> there were clear instructions that no arms to be taken in, why was the DCP
> carrying a loaded gun. And if he was why would he shoot someone that too
> twice. My mind belies any accident.
> And I wonder what would turn you so blind that you'd eagerly defend the
> wrong too. I don't think anyone will like to be shot at for no fault of
> theirs. And yes if proven that the DCP shot at the guy with malice and for
> his religious identity then Modi is to be blamed because he has actively
> encouraged this mindset.
> Thanks
> Danish
> PS: Please respond to this mailing list and not to me personally. Thanks.
> anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
> Mon Mar 15
> Pawan,
> Not single line has been said against modi or BJP. Why are you
> assuming? On what grounds?  On the other hand, if these things are not
> brought towards the notice of the machinery which is at work, there
> will be more such Saiyads dying in this way.
> It is unfortunate that you are diverting the focus of the debate,
> which should discuss things about police reforms across the country to
> a political issue. You are absolutely wrong about Javed's intention to
> post this news item and also using Narendra Modi to make a point here.
> Anupam
> Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
> Mon Mar 15
> And what a convenient subject line made aptly for Sarai . This is how
> 'Liberals' are used by Javed and others.
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
> Yes Yes .. Let us blame Modi for this.
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> ‘Sir, don’t... I am not a terrorist,’ pleaded ATS inspector as DCP
> shot him twice
> Even Muslim police officers are not safe from fake encounters....
> Surat: Posted: Sunday , Mar 14, 2010 at 0319 hrs
> “Sir, don’t... I am not a terrorist.”
> This is what Gujarat Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) inspector Shabbirali
> Saiyed says he had shouted, just before Deputy Commissioner of Police
> Subhash Trivedi shot him twice in the abdomen from point blank range
> during the mock anti-terror drill that went haywire at the Surat
> Airport on February 24.
> Saiyed still cannot comprehend how and why he was shot by the senior
> officer. No officer was supposed to carry or use live arms and
> ammunition. That apart, Saiyed told The Sunday Express that the entire
> drill had been meticulously planned, including the exact role each cop
> would play. “All the officials in the drill had been briefed
> thoroughly about the role of each. I was to be only an observer tasked
> to find out what mistakes the commandos and other officials commit
> during rescue operations.”
> DCP Subhash Trivedi, SP Barot of ATS and a few other officers were
> tasked to act as doctors and rush to a bus in the parking lot of the
> airport in which some officials acting as terrorists were holding
> ‘passengers’ hostage.
> Saiyed recalled: “Subhash Trivedi rushed to the bus and caught hold of
> me tightly, though I was supposed to be only an obeserver. I pleaded,
> “Sir , don’t... I am not a terrorist, I am the observer.” But he
> refused to let go of me and we had a scuffle. I was left struggling to
> get out of his clutches when he pulled out his service revolver and
> opened fire, from point blank range. I fell and lost consciousness.”
> The .38 calibre bullet entered through his stomach and exited. Saiyed
> is still to recover but is now out of danger.
> Interestingly, the DCP, according to Saiyed, was not even tasked to
> take on or grapple with any ‘terrorist’ in the drill, since he was
> acting as a member of a team of ‘doctors’ at the spot who would only
> recce the scene to find out how many hostages and terrorists were in
> the bus. “He was to have only ascertained their numbers to pass on the
> information to the others in the actual rescue team, so that they
> could plan and execute the operation,” according to Inspector Saiyed.
> Surat police Commisioner Shivanand Jha confirmed it. “Saiyed was
> deputed as an observer on the spot. He was standing near the entry
> door of bus. DCP Subhash Trivedi was tasked to act as a doctor to
> recce the scene and find out how many hostages were being held by how
> many terrorists, and the weapons they possessed.” The ‘doctor’,
> apparently, was not expected to carry any weapon, much less a loaded
> service revolver.
> So what went horribly wrong? The police claim they have no answers to
> share, yet. “We are still doing a free and fair investigation. At this
> moment it is difficult to come to any conclusion. We have taken the
> statements of several airport staff who were also present there and
> statements of several police officials who witnessed the incident,”
> Jha said.
> When The Sunday Express contacted Trivedi, he refused to comment.
> The investigation is being headed by Jha’s deputy and ATS chief Ajay
> Tomar. A complaint was registered at Umra police station soon after
> Saiyed was shot while state DGP S S Khandwawala directed Tomar to
> carry out a departmental inquiry.
> “After preliminary investigations, we have found that the incident was
> an accident and the firing had not been done deliberately. But we are
> waiting for the final report and the report from ballistic experts
> before coming to any conclusion,” said Khandwawala. Asked if an FIR
> would be registered against DCP Trivedi, Khandwawala said: “Let the
> report come and later, on its basis, we will take further action. Both
> the officials are from police department _ they are not some criminals
> _ so it is premature to say anything at this juncture.”
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sir-dont...-i-am-not-a-terrorist-pleaded-ats-inspector-as-dcp-shot-him-twice/590554/0
>
>
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