[Reader-list] FW: ATTEMPT OF TARNISHING GUJARAT IMAGE

[anupam chakravartty]

"SC/ST (or say adivasi, shudra and others) and even Muslims also are
poor for their own reason and don't want to come out of their fence,
don’t want to amalgamate with India and don't want to develop
themselves."

Aren't you really fortunate to type these words on a reader's forum
and get away with it? I guess this is your yardstick then. You are one
of those who will not only knock off people from the road but also
make sure that they are maimed for rest of their lives. Because you
have very categorically stated that essentially people are oppressed
because of their own fault. This is deplorable.

And you are writing in defence of Gujarat and its people. what a lie!

On 3/22/10, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
> Dear Rakesh/Malik,
>
> Aam admi is applicable to all including poor to middle/upper middle class.
> You can fool the people once but you can't fool them all the time. Lalu
> tried to fool the people all the time, but one get success with this for
> some time but not all the time. Someone, arguing that he succeeded as
> railway minister, but railway reform was ongoing process and whoever will be
> there as railway minister would have been done it. Since 20 years of rule,
> he proved wrong in Bihar with his administration, there is no question to
> give credit to him as railway minister. No doubt curtsey acknowledgement
> given by congress leaders/PM as an important ally is different thing.
>
> SC/ST (or say adivasi, shudra and others) and even Muslims also are poor for
> their own reason and don't want to come out of their fence, don’t want to
> amalgamate with India and don't want to develop themselves. They are having
> much more children and could not able to take care of them upto the standard
> and remain poor. Even I have heard from many SC/ST families that we will
> produce more children since govt. reserves job for us so not to worry. So,
> reservation policy is actually act as a tool of population increment. Think
> over it positively. Due to more children, they are unable to give proper
> education, personalize care and remain backward in humanity also. (we talk
> to increase HDI in this situation is remote possibility) Those who comes out
> of their fence are definitely came up and living their healthy life. You
> will find many such families not only in city even in the villages. For all
> these if you can make survey, I am sure you will find that they are having
> small family of maximum 2 or 3 children and one wife. Adivasi don't allow
> industry or development in their area and they willingly like to live with
> his traditional way of living. In the situation will you think any govt. can
> do anything?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bipin
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net]
> On Behalf Of Rakesh Iyer
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:36 AM
> To: A.K. Malik
> Cc: Sarai List
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] FW: ATTEMPT OF TARNISHING GUJARAT IMAGE
>
>
>
> Dear Malik
>
>
>
> My views:
>
>
>
> 1) I would like to clarify here about one point you made that I may feel
>
> that Lalu is a better CM than Nitish. I don't agree on it one bit. Lalu
>
> Yadav made a mess of Bihar in ways which only he could have done. And I do
>
> agree that Nitish has brought a change in Bihar. But to believe that Nitish
>
> is doing wonders is a farcical argument.
>
>
>
> 2) The common man won't perceive anything different from the statistics I
>
> put up, contrary to what you may believe. The problem with most newspapers
>
> and famous magazines and site links (from where most of the people on this
>
> forum seem to post articles) is that they think that the middle class
>
> working person is the aam aadmi. That is not the aam aadmi I refer to,
>
> although the person is as human as the poor who I refer to as the aam aadmi.
>
>
>
>
>
> And when there is development, people feel it. It's not like something
>
> invisible like a ghost, which people can't understand.
>
>
>
> And hence, you should have taken some time going through the statistics
>
> rather than just writing a mail in haste. (My request or suggestion,
>
> depending on how you take it)
>
>
>
> 3) Many people admonish the Lalu regime for many reasons. What people
>
> however forget was the one decisive thing which Lalu gave to the backwards
>
> and the oppressed castes, be it Dalits, Musahars or even tribals: sense of
>
> dignity. Lalu meant dignity for them. He managed to win elections because
>
> they knew that an upper caste ruling the state would mean upper castes
>
> raping their women and destroying their dignity. Lalu rule brought that down
>
> to a degree. Add to that the sense of protection he gave to Muslims, and you
>
> get to understand why he was considered invincible.
>
>
>
> Ironically, Lalu lost because of himself. Once he allowed this measure of
>
> dignity the oppressed castes wanted development (which meant better
>
> education and health services). Instead he promoted corruption and
>
> deterioration of law and order.
>
>
>
> Most importantly, an upper caste CM candidate from the opposition would have
>
> brought Lalu again. But Nitish Kumar is from a backward caste, which is why
>
> the other oppressed castes thought that he would ensure their sense of
>
> dignity remains.
>
>
>
> However, figures prove otherwise. Infact, the cases on domestic violence and
>
> violence against women in general have increased under Nitish rule, whereas
>
> under Lalu, it was the kidnapping industry which was much more in the news.
>
>
>
> Please read another issue on law and order here, on this link.
>
>
>
> http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?653718
>
>
>
> I have a request again for all here on forum of Sarai. Instead of making
>
> generalized useless statements, let's come out with facts and then debate.
>
> And if you are instead only harping on your idea being right without facts
>
> to support you, then please, don't expect me to believe you (howsoever much
>
> others may be impressed with your jargon of words)
>
>
>
> Rakesh
>
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