[Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration

yasir ~يا سر yasir.media at gmail.com
Sun May 9 16:30:13 IST 2010 

You've diagnosed this one properly. Josh goes back to the thingist list
around 2001-4. i see he's still spouting and needessly small-mindedly
arguing. its best to just ignore him and not engage.

best
yasir


On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Paul D. Miller <anansi1 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Hello to Josh and the Sarai list. I apologize about the delay in
> communication, but I had a concert in Khartoum, Sudan, and there were
> thousands of people at the show, and it was a demonstration of some of the
> unique qualities of why reaching out past the norms of the kind of paranoid
> scenarios Josh has been spouting on the list is exactly what I think the
> world needs more of.
>
> To those on the list that haven't heard the track I did with Public Enemy,
> you can hear it here:
>
> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
>
> And yo Josh - screw your crappy music taste...
>
> Josh - why do you think that the Phoenix Suns has changed their name to
> "Los Suns":
> Team owner Robert Sarver says the Spanish jersey is meant to, quote, "honor
> our Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of Arizona
> and our nation."
>
> The Arizona reactionary stance towards immigration is what I think is a
> betrayal of the country, and I believe that naive people like the right wing
> types who espouse it have no idea about the economics of what they're
> talking about. The trouble is that as a larger political ideology, its
> hateful and divisive message is encouraging ever more misguided madness.
>
> Some examples:
>
> Read more:
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2010/05/05/msnbcs-dylan-ratigan-gives-kudos-arizona-basketball-team-protesting-#ixzz0nLQzAkyL
>
> The problem is this: you can't argue with right wing lunatics like Josh -
> facts don't matter. We learned this during the Bush era, and we've seen the
> Tea Party idiots doing the same thing. I belong in what I like to call,
> ironically, after Bush, "the reality based community." Interdependence in a
> hyper globalized economy is a basic economic fact. You cannot shut it down
> without massive consequences, and amusingly enough, I bet you'd be hard
> pressed to find even a right wing economist who would disagree with that
> basic assumption. Because I cannot argue with Josh (even politely), without
> being called as he has called me a "racist (!!!???)" and a "betrayer of my
> country" (sound like Fox News stupidity!?), I can only say - in this forum
> focused on South Asia, that the kind of anti-immigrant stupidity that he
> espouses is so dumb as to be beyond the range of coherent dialog.
>
> I cannot believe that reactionary people like Josh have no sense of
> history, or even a willingness to get to facts, but hey, in the America of
> Fox News and idiots like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, I'd encounter a moron
> like Josh on the Sarai reader list (one could argue that he's a digital
> immigrant on this list, but the irony is too much...) ... nothing is
> shocking I guess.
>
> I have to admit - I am so disgusted by my fellow Arizona American's
> reactionary and ultimately idiotic legislation about immigration. It boggles
> the mind - where do you think they came from? They are all immigrants.
> Anyway, not that these kinds of links matter to Josh, but hey... I'm just an
> African American racist who betrays my country and despises Rush Limbaugh,
> Glenn Beck, Fox News Zombies, and right wing idiots like Sarah Palin.
>
> The Left needs to push back on this kind of stuff. HARD. And, hopefully, it
> will.
>
>
> Supporting links:
>
> http://www.truthout.org/david-sirota-i-want-my-country-back-the-motto-mad-men59256
>
> Why the Left has no Response to the Right Wing Lie Machine:
> http://www.crisispapers.org/essays10p/nolocontendere.htm
>
> Why Arizona isn't Crazy, Just wrong:
>
> http://www.alternet.org/immigration/146736/why_arizona_isn't_crazy,_just_wrong
>
> Arizona Immigration Law Divides Law Enforcement:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/us/22immig.html
>
> This is my last comment on this thread.
> Paul
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> >Sent: May 6, 2010 2:07 AM
> >To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration
> >
> >  Well, I just got back from the Phoenix rally.  If any of you think that
> >the SB1070 bill is about racial profiling, you are out of your mind.  The
> >bulk of the crowd was a semi-violent mob with Mexican and _USSR_ flags (no
> >joke).  They were proudly displaying their concept of history, which is
> that
> >of right to ownership of the American southwest.  Many of them were
> clearly
> >mafia thugs.
> >
> >  -jmz
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:48 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> "I was at the capitol yesterday, there was a nice young African American
> >> girl who was vocally against the pro-Mexico demonstrators.  She came
> down
> >> here because she couldn't find a job in LA."
> >>
> >> Now, isn't there some kind of irony? Mexicans don't take so much risk of
> >> crossing the border because of plenty of jobs on their side of the
> border.
> >> Jobwise the state that seems to be doing the best is Texas, now can
> someone
> >> remind the history of Texas? Is it somehow connected with Mexico?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Zeidner" <
> jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> >> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:38 AM
> >> Subject: [Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration
> >>
> >>
> >>   On the contrary,  the African Americans are getting played by left
> wing
> >>> and the likes of Al Sharpton this time.
> >>>
> >>>  I was at the capitol yesterday, there was a nice young African
> American
> >>> girl who was vocally against the pro-Mexico demonstrators.  She came
> down
> >>> here because she couldn't find a job in LA.  She shouted: "this is the
> new
> >>> color of conservatism".
> >>>
> >>>  We've never had slavery in Arizona.  It was formed after the civil
> war.
> >>> The African Americans played a critical role in the establishment of
> our
> >>> state.
> >>>
> >>>  -jmz
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Paul D. Miller <anansi1 at earthlink.net
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I'm transferring at Frankfurt airport, and took a quick glance at this
> >>>> video. I find it sad and appalling.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's galvinized me as an African American to build even more bridges
> >>>> between communities.
> >>>>
> >>>> Minorities only get played against one another when this kind of thing
> >>>> happens, and the end result is everyone loses.
> >>>>
> >>>> This kind of stuff is so dumb, it's ridiculous.
> >>>>
> >>>> It really saddens me to see fellow African Americans being played by
> >>>> right
> >>>> wing types.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 5, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Udai Malhotra <udaimalhotra at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Joshua,
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the point you are trying to make by linking to this video? If
> >>>> anything it is reinforcing that you are on some straight ignorant
> shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Udai
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Joshua Zeidner < <jjzeidner at gmail.com
> >
> >>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcmjPgyN36g&NR=1>
> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcmjPgyN36g&NR=1
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  -jmz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Paul D. Miller < <
> anansi1 at earthlink.net
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Again - this is strange non sense.
> >>>>> > 1) the track is a free giveaway so no paycheck etc
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Josh - this is stupid. Either up the level of the discourse or come
> up
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> > something more interesting.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone that would say either
> me
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> > Chuck D are racist, and no, Flava Flav isn't on the track. So...
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > What's your point? I'm just getting on a flight to Khartoum, Sudan
> for
> >>>>> > a
> >>>>> > project with ex child soldiers doing electronic music.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Josh - if you would like to dialog about the merits of Arizona's
> >>>>> > immigration, that's ok. But being an asshole, as we've seen in >
> >>>>> Arizona,
> >>>>> > doesn't solve anyone's problems.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > By the way way, no, I'm not racist, and no, Public Enemy isn't
> racist.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > And I have nothing to do with Al Sharpton.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Paul
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On May 4, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner < <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> >>>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >   sorry for getting all up in your grill hommie, but racism cuts
> both
> >>>>> ways.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >   maybe you can get Flavor Flav all up in hizouse too?
> >>>>> > < <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
> >>>>> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >   it's pretty simple that illegal aliens are modern day slavery and
> >
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> > destroy the lives of white and black Americans alike.
>  Unfortunately
> >>>>> we've
> >>>>> > got selllouts like you who are willing to say anything for a
> paycheck.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >   check ya later holmes, jmz
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Paul D. Miller < > <<
> >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
> >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
> >>>>> > <anansi1 at earthlink.net>anansi1 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> Very strange and reactionary response.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Joshua - can you please enlighten me on my 'racist politics' and
> my
> >>>>> >> relationship to Al Sharpton?
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> You're sounding a bit shrill and to be completely honest, totally
> >>>>> >> irrational.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Paul
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On May 4, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Joshua Zeidner < < <
> jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> >>>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> >>>>> >> <jjzeidner at gmail.com>jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>   I'm writing this from the Arizona Capitol.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>   Paul, we don't want your racist politics here.  Al Sharpton has
> >>>>> nothing
> >>>>> >> in common with the illegal aliens.  You are not only a traitor to
> >>
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> >> country but a traitor to your own people.  How can you turn
> against a
> >>>>> >> country that has given you so much?
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>   we do remember history.  We remember it very well.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>   Check it: >> <<
> >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
> >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000><<
> >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
> >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
> >>>>> >> <http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
> >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>   -jmz
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Paul D. Miller < >> <<
> >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
> >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>< <anansi1 at earthlink.net>anansi1 at earthlink.net
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> <anansi1 at earthlink.net>anansi1 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>> Hey people - I just finished a studio session with Chuck D from
> >>>
> >>>>> Public
> >>>>> >>> Enemy. In the wake of Republican Governor Jan Brewer's appalling
> >>>>> >>> anti-immigrant law, me and Chuck D were rappin' and we decided to
> >>>>> >>> put
> >>>>> >>> together an update of his classic track "By The Time I get To
> >>>>> Arizona."
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> You can download the track from here:
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>  < <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html><<
> >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> >>>>> >>> <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Anyone who knows about hip hop from the early 90's remembers John
> >>>>> >>> McCain's unwillingness to endorse creating a local version of
> Martin
> >>>>> Luther
> >>>>> >>> King's birthday. The update here is a 21st century look in the
> rear
> >>>>> view
> >>>>> >>> mirror. The cliché that "those who don't learn from the past are
> >>>>> doomed to
> >>>>> >>> repeat it" still holds sway in our hyper amnesiac culture. I
> remixed
> >>>>> D.W.
> >>>>> >>> Griffith's infamous film Birth of a Nation  with a bit of Public
> >>>
> >>>>> Enemy
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> >>> mind, and later on, they named an e.p. with the same name as my
> >>>>> project. Me
> >>>>> >>> and Chuck D have done several projects in the past around >>>
> >>>>> progressive,
> >>>>> non
> >>>>> >>> knucklehead hip hop.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Please feel free to download this track and pass it around. We
> are
> >>>>> >>> the
> >>>>> >>> media. Feel free to pass it around!
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> By the way, this is a mashup, and it's basically not really for
> >>>
> >>>>> sale.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> >>> just took a riff from Philly Sound >>> (<<
> >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
> >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>< <
> >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
> >>>>> >>> <http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>www.funkadelphiarecords.com
> ),
> >>>>> >>> and
> >>>>> flipped it. The result, is what you
> >>>>> >>> hear here. It's free, and open. No $!!
> >>>>> >>> You can download a better resolution version of the track here:
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>  < <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html><<
> >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> >>>>> >>> <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Check it!
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Paul
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > --
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> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
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