[Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration

Joshua Zeidner jjzeidner at gmail.com
Sun May 9 20:17:09 IST 2010 

  Hi Yasir!

    Still making excuses for Islamic terrorism?

  -jmz


On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:00 AM, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:

> You've diagnosed this one properly. Josh goes back to the thingist list
> around 2001-4. i see he's still spouting and needessly small-mindedly
> arguing. its best to just ignore him and not engage.
>
> best
> yasir
>
>
> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Paul D. Miller <anansi1 at earthlink.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello to Josh and the Sarai list. I apologize about the delay in
> > communication, but I had a concert in Khartoum, Sudan, and there were
> > thousands of people at the show, and it was a demonstration of some of
> the
> > unique qualities of why reaching out past the norms of the kind of
> paranoid
> > scenarios Josh has been spouting on the list is exactly what I think the
> > world needs more of.
> >
> > To those on the list that haven't heard the track I did with Public
> Enemy,
> > you can hear it here:
> >
> > http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
> >
> > And yo Josh - screw your crappy music taste...
> >
> > Josh - why do you think that the Phoenix Suns has changed their name to
> > "Los Suns":
> > Team owner Robert Sarver says the Spanish jersey is meant to, quote,
> "honor
> > our Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of
> Arizona
> > and our nation."
> >
> > The Arizona reactionary stance towards immigration is what I think is a
> > betrayal of the country, and I believe that naive people like the right
> wing
> > types who espouse it have no idea about the economics of what they're
> > talking about. The trouble is that as a larger political ideology, its
> > hateful and divisive message is encouraging ever more misguided madness.
> >
> > Some examples:
> >
> > Read more:
> >
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2010/05/05/msnbcs-dylan-ratigan-gives-kudos-arizona-basketball-team-protesting-#ixzz0nLQzAkyL
> >
> > The problem is this: you can't argue with right wing lunatics like Josh -
> > facts don't matter. We learned this during the Bush era, and we've seen
> the
> > Tea Party idiots doing the same thing. I belong in what I like to call,
> > ironically, after Bush, "the reality based community." Interdependence in
> a
> > hyper globalized economy is a basic economic fact. You cannot shut it
> down
> > without massive consequences, and amusingly enough, I bet you'd be hard
> > pressed to find even a right wing economist who would disagree with that
> > basic assumption. Because I cannot argue with Josh (even politely),
> without
> > being called as he has called me a "racist (!!!???)" and a "betrayer of
> my
> > country" (sound like Fox News stupidity!?), I can only say - in this
> forum
> > focused on South Asia, that the kind of anti-immigrant stupidity that he
> > espouses is so dumb as to be beyond the range of coherent dialog.
> >
> > I cannot believe that reactionary people like Josh have no sense of
> > history, or even a willingness to get to facts, but hey, in the America
> of
> > Fox News and idiots like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, I'd encounter a
> moron
> > like Josh on the Sarai reader list (one could argue that he's a digital
> > immigrant on this list, but the irony is too much...) ... nothing is
> > shocking I guess.
> >
> > I have to admit - I am so disgusted by my fellow Arizona American's
> > reactionary and ultimately idiotic legislation about immigration. It
> boggles
> > the mind - where do you think they came from? They are all immigrants.
> > Anyway, not that these kinds of links matter to Josh, but hey... I'm just
> an
> > African American racist who betrays my country and despises Rush
> Limbaugh,
> > Glenn Beck, Fox News Zombies, and right wing idiots like Sarah Palin.
> >
> > The Left needs to push back on this kind of stuff. HARD. And, hopefully,
> it
> > will.
> >
> >
> > Supporting links:
> >
> >
> http://www.truthout.org/david-sirota-i-want-my-country-back-the-motto-mad-men59256
> >
> > Why the Left has no Response to the Right Wing Lie Machine:
> > http://www.crisispapers.org/essays10p/nolocontendere.htm
> >
> > Why Arizona isn't Crazy, Just wrong:
> >
> >
> http://www.alternet.org/immigration/146736/why_arizona_isn't_crazy,_just_wrong<http://www.alternet.org/immigration/146736/why_arizona_isn%27t_crazy,_just_wrong>
> >
> > Arizona Immigration Law Divides Law Enforcement:
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/us/22immig.html
> >
> > This is my last comment on this thread.
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> > >Sent: May 6, 2010 2:07 AM
> > >To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > >Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration
> > >
> > >  Well, I just got back from the Phoenix rally.  If any of you think
> that
> > >the SB1070 bill is about racial profiling, you are out of your mind.
>  The
> > >bulk of the crowd was a semi-violent mob with Mexican and _USSR_ flags
> (no
> > >joke).  They were proudly displaying their concept of history, which is
> > that
> > >of right to ownership of the American southwest.  Many of them were
> > clearly
> > >mafia thugs.
> > >
> > >  -jmz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:48 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> "I was at the capitol yesterday, there was a nice young African
> American
> > >> girl who was vocally against the pro-Mexico demonstrators.  She came
> > down
> > >> here because she couldn't find a job in LA."
> > >>
> > >> Now, isn't there some kind of irony? Mexicans don't take so much risk
> of
> > >> crossing the border because of plenty of jobs on their side of the
> > border.
> > >> Jobwise the state that seems to be doing the best is Texas, now can
> > someone
> > >> remind the history of Texas? Is it somehow connected with Mexico?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Zeidner" <
> > jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> > >> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:38 AM
> > >> Subject: [Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   On the contrary,  the African Americans are getting played by left
> > wing
> > >>> and the likes of Al Sharpton this time.
> > >>>
> > >>>  I was at the capitol yesterday, there was a nice young African
> > American
> > >>> girl who was vocally against the pro-Mexico demonstrators.  She came
> > down
> > >>> here because she couldn't find a job in LA.  She shouted: "this is
> the
> > new
> > >>> color of conservatism".
> > >>>
> > >>>  We've never had slavery in Arizona.  It was formed after the civil
> > war.
> > >>> The African Americans played a critical role in the establishment of
> > our
> > >>> state.
> > >>>
> > >>>  -jmz
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Paul D. Miller <
> anansi1 at earthlink.net
> > >>> >wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  I'm transferring at Frankfurt airport, and took a quick glance at
> this
> > >>>> video. I find it sad and appalling.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's galvinized me as an African American to build even more bridges
> > >>>> between communities.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Minorities only get played against one another when this kind of
> thing
> > >>>> happens, and the end result is everyone loses.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This kind of stuff is so dumb, it's ridiculous.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It really saddens me to see fellow African Americans being played by
> > >>>> right
> > >>>> wing types.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Paul
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On May 5, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Udai Malhotra <udaimalhotra at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dear Joshua,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What is the point you are trying to make by linking to this video?
> If
> > >>>> anything it is reinforcing that you are on some straight ignorant
> > shit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - Udai
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Joshua Zeidner < <
> jjzeidner at gmail.com
> > >
> > >>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcmjPgyN36g&NR=1>
> > >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcmjPgyN36g&NR=1
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  -jmz
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Paul D. Miller < <
> > anansi1 at earthlink.net
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> > Again - this is strange non sense.
> > >>>>> > 1) the track is a free giveaway so no paycheck etc
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > Josh - this is stupid. Either up the level of the discourse or
> come
> > up
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>> > something more interesting.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone that would say
> either
> > me
> > >>>>> or
> > >>>>> > Chuck D are racist, and no, Flava Flav isn't on the track. So...
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > What's your point? I'm just getting on a flight to Khartoum,
> Sudan
> > for
> > >>>>> > a
> > >>>>> > project with ex child soldiers doing electronic music.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > Josh - if you would like to dialog about the merits of Arizona's
> > >>>>> > immigration, that's ok. But being an asshole, as we've seen in >
> > >>>>> Arizona,
> > >>>>> > doesn't solve anyone's problems.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > By the way way, no, I'm not racist, and no, Public Enemy isn't
> > racist.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > And I have nothing to do with Al Sharpton.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > Paul
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > On May 4, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner < <
> jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >   sorry for getting all up in your grill hommie, but racism cuts
> > both
> > >>>>> ways.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >   maybe you can get Flavor Flav all up in hizouse too?
> > >>>>> > < <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
> > >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
> > >>>>> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
> > >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >   it's pretty simple that illegal aliens are modern day slavery
> and
> > >
> > >>>>> they
> > >>>>> > destroy the lives of white and black Americans alike.
> >  Unfortunately
> > >>>>> we've
> > >>>>> > got selllouts like you who are willing to say anything for a
> > paycheck.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >   check ya later holmes, jmz
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Paul D. Miller < > <<
> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
> > >>>>> > <anansi1 at earthlink.net>anansi1 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> Very strange and reactionary response.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Joshua - can you please enlighten me on my 'racist politics' and
> > my
> > >>>>> >> relationship to Al Sharpton?
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> You're sounding a bit shrill and to be completely honest,
> totally
> > >>>>> >> irrational.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Paul
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> On May 4, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Joshua Zeidner < < <
> > jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> >> <jjzeidner at gmail.com>jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>   I'm writing this from the Arizona Capitol.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>   Paul, we don't want your racist politics here.  Al Sharpton
> has
> > >>>>> nothing
> > >>>>> >> in common with the illegal aliens.  You are not only a traitor
> to
> > >>
> > >>>>> your
> > >>>>> >> country but a traitor to your own people.  How can you turn
> > against a
> > >>>>> >> country that has given you so much?
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>   we do remember history.  We remember it very well.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>   Check it: >> <<
> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000><<
> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
> > >>>>> >> <http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>   -jmz
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Paul D. Miller < >> <<
> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>< <anansi1 at earthlink.net>
> anansi1 at earthlink.net
> > >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> >> <anansi1 at earthlink.net>anansi1 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>> Hey people - I just finished a studio session with Chuck D from
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Public
> > >>>>> >>> Enemy. In the wake of Republican Governor Jan Brewer's
> appalling
> > >>>>> >>> anti-immigrant law, me and Chuck D were rappin' and we decided
> to
> > >>>>> >>> put
> > >>>>> >>> together an update of his classic track "By The Time I get To
> > >>>>> Arizona."
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>> You can download the track from here:
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>  < <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html><<
> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> > >>>>> >>> <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>> Anyone who knows about hip hop from the early 90's remembers
> John
> > >>>>> >>> McCain's unwillingness to endorse creating a local version of
> > Martin
> > >>>>> Luther
> > >>>>> >>> King's birthday. The update here is a 21st century look in the
> > rear
> > >>>>> view
> > >>>>> >>> mirror. The cliché that "those who don't learn from the past
> are
> > >>>>> doomed to
> > >>>>> >>> repeat it" still holds sway in our hyper amnesiac culture. I
> > remixed
> > >>>>> D.W.
> > >>>>> >>> Griffith's infamous film Birth of a Nation  with a bit of
> Public
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Enemy
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>> >>> mind, and later on, they named an e.p. with the same name as my
> > >>>>> project. Me
> > >>>>> >>> and Chuck D have done several projects in the past around >>>
> > >>>>> progressive,
> > >>>>> non
> > >>>>> >>> knucklehead hip hop.
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>> Please feel free to download this track and pass it around. We
> > are
> > >>>>> >>> the
> > >>>>> >>> media. Feel free to pass it around!
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>> By the way, this is a mashup, and it's basically not really for
> > >>>
> > >>>>> sale.
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>> >>> just took a riff from Philly Sound >>> (<<
> > >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
> > >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>< <
> > >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
> > >>>>> >>> <http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
> www.funkadelphiarecords.com
> > ),
> > >>>>> >>> and
> > >>>>> flipped it. The result, is what you
> > >>>>> >>> hear here. It's free, and open. No $!!
> > >>>>> >>> You can download a better resolution version of the track here:
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>  < <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html><<
> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> > >>>>> >>> <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>> Check it!
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>> Paul
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >>>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > --
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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