[Reader-list] Study disputes Gujarat's miracle in agriculture growth

Thu Nov 11 12:36:50 IST 2010

Hi Bipin,

How it is that you went on posting the development scenario of Gujarat
earlier? How is it that you also accused one of the list members for being a
spokesperson for a writer while you went on posting stuff about Modi
administration?

And which roads are you referring to? Roads in Ahmedabad meant for Mass
Rapid Transit System which are being used alternatively by sports bikers at
night. And Gujarat might not be getting subsidies from the centre but the
state government is major subsidies to industries in acquisition of land.
How is that possible?

Anupam

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:

> Dear Rakesh,
>
> I have never said earlier that what today Gujarat is only due to Narendra
> Modi. Please see bellow one para of my reply to you only earlier.
>
> In the field of infrastructural development, Gujarat is way ahead than many
> ways than the other state. Gujarat roads were much better even before
> reforms started and it was agreed by tourist come over here, in power
> sector
> Gujarat is always ahead and almost having today uninterrupted power
> including villages. For this Gujarat is paying highest tariff for power and
> lowest power theft than rest of the India and this is the reason they get
> uninterrupted supply. Similarly it has highest no. of ports and this is due
> to their long seashore and highest no. domestic airports than any other
> states. Reason is, since their establishments, Gujarat has not given any
> subsidies by any means. No free electricity to farmers and they are paying
> as per norms only, never given any subsidize rice or such other thing but
> still Gujarat is ahead of all the state in many criteria. It gives highest
> income to central govt. highest investment in share market, post office
> saving, banks. Prosperity of Gujarat was there and Narendra Modi has just
> speeded this up by improving govt. efficiency by having total control over
> IAS cadre, minimize corruption, made govt. PSU profitable. This is not
> small
> things. Gujarat has shown progress without subsidy is the proof of my
> argument.
>
> More than enough discussion made earlier on narmada dam topic.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
> From: Rakesh Iyer [mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:06 PM
> To: Bipin Trivedi
> Cc: sarai-list
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Study disputes Gujarat's miracle in agriculture
> growth
>
> Hi Bipin
>
> I am completely stunned, considering that when anything good comes,
> Narendra
> Modi's name is the first to be taken by you. It seems Gujarat was some sort
> of a hell before Modi came in and performed the actions which only the
> Genie
> could have done when Alladin rubbed the lamp.
>
> Anyways, regarding Narmada dam project, let me state you two things which
> the presenters of the paper haven't put and you can also know:
>
> a) Firstly, Medha Patkar, in her first 10 years of activism, was not at all
> asking for the dam not to be built. She was only interested in
> rehabilitation in a proper way for the displaced. That, I hope you will
> agree, is not a wrong thing to be done. She turned against the dam because
> in those 10 years, neither the Maharashtra nor the Madhya Pradesh state
> governments did anything to really rehabilitate the tribals. That the
> Central Government also contributed to it was a bigger sham.
>
> Moreover, there were alternate routes to making the dam, but this route was
> particularly chosen.
>
> b) The dam was being built mainly to provide water to the parched areas of
> Gujarat like Kutch and Saurashtra, while electricity was to be generated
> for
> Madhya Pradesh. Today, water has not reached most parts of Saurashtra and
> Kutch even after so many years of this project, and as for the status of
> electricity generation, the less said the better.
>
> The water has been obtained only for regions which had planned to use it
> anyways: Ahmedabad, Baroda and other urban centers which anyways have more
> rainfall in a year compared to regions in Kutch and Saurashtra.
>
> I have nothing against irrigation as such, but Sardar Sarovar Dam project
> was a project which should not have been taken up. In fact, the World Bank
> itself withdrew its funds to the project after realizing not even proper
> assessments of water supply and irrigation based on the scheme have been
> undertaken.
>
> Now you may not trust me. What about the World Bank?
>
> Rakesh
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
> Why you are seeking answer from me for this. What I have earlier mentioned
> is Gujarat growth is healthy in agriculture and I have never mentioned that
> this turn around done by Narendra Modi only.
>
> The 2 reports, 1 from International Water management Institute, Sri Lanka
> and other from Institute of Resource Analysis and Policy, Hyderabad. I am
> not the authority to judge about these reports. Some expert panel can
> decide
> about both the report status. Gujarat govt. authority must have read this
> let us wait for their reaction. But, I can see major difference by way of
> increased in happiness of the farmers in this decade. This practical
> difference can be experience in these days while roaming in the villages of
> Gujarat compared to previous days. Also, those opposing Narmada dam must
> notice this report that narmada dam water benefited the farmers and gave
> positive results. Check dam benefits during monsoon only while narmada dam
> water benefits whole year and for ever.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
> From: Rakesh Iyer [mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:51 PM
> To: anupam chakravartty
> Cc: sarai list; bipin
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Study disputes Gujarat's miracle in agriculture
> growth
>
> Dear all
>
> The link for the report:
>
> http://irapindia.org/gujarat_s%20agricultural_april_2010.pdf
>
> Rakesh
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:06 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Hi Bipin,
>
> I would like to know your views on the following news item that appeared
> this morning.
>
> Thanks
>
> "The study says that the "miracle" argument fails to take into account a
> crucial figure - fall of agricultural output by 30 per cent during two
> drought years, 1999 and 2000.
>
>
> Then, there is yet another distortion - the 9.6 per cent growth rate is on
> current prices, which means that the "figures are not corrected for
> inflation".
>
> It underlines, "The 'growth' observed in the recent past (2002 onwards) is
> nothing but a good recovery from a major dip in production occurred during
> the drought years of 1999 and 2000." The state officials are examining the
> study.
>
> The study also disputes the argument that dependence on rainfall went down
> in Gujarat due to a large number of check dams built in the state in
> 1999-2000.
>
> The highest growth, 22 per cent, during 1980-2006, was on account of milk
> production. As for crops like cotton and groundnut, "with good monsoons,
> production grew substantially with steady expansion in cropped area or
> yield
> growth", but in drought years "production suffered with shrinkage in area
> under irrigated winter crops, and sharp reduction in yield of crops sown in
> kharif, including cotton and groundnut".
>
> Read more: Study disputes Gujarat's miracle in agriculture growth - The
> Times of
> India<
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Study-disputes-Gujar
> ats-miracle-in-agriculture-growth/articleshow/6897547.cms#ixzz14r5xAFat>
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Study-disputes-Gujarats-mi
> racle-in-agriculture-growth/articleshow/6897547.cms#ixzz14r5xAFat<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Study-disputes-Gujarats-mi%0Aracle-in-agriculture-growth/articleshow/6897547.cms#ixzz14r5xAFat>
>
> Thanks
> Anupam
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