[Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
TaraPrakash
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Sun Oct 24 01:35:07 IST 2010
But dear Inder Salim ji. I think I read that statement and expressed my
skepticism. If Inder Salim ji says he does not support violence but
glorifies stone pelters on any forum to do with Kashmiri separatists, I will
have reason to be skeptical about his statement about nonviolence.
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Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
> But dear Taraprakash ji
> Shudda concludes
>
> "By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and
> witnessed."
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> cashmeeri
> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir - its
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> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
> Mohandas ...
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> 3:03 PM (22 hours ago)
> Shuddhabrata SenguptaLoading...
> 3:03 PM (22 hours ago)
> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
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> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
> Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition,
> (regardless of whether one was or was not a believer in any religion)
> and was even against the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we think
> that his vision of 'Ram Rajya' would be identical to what Aalok Aima
> considers to be an Islamic state?
>
> Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
> long as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr.
> Aima's suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's
> Gujarat (and the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we
> have come to having an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest we
> actually came to being an Islamic state in India was actually during
> Morarji Desai;s prime ministership, when some of the current champions
> of Hindutva were in power, when total prohibition was imposed on all
> of India. In fact we came even closer than the vision of SAS Geelani,
> which at least allows the 'non-believer' his or her daily tipple?
> Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went on to suggest that if a bottle of
> alchohl belongiing to a non believer was willingly or unwillingly
> damaged by a Muslim, then the state would have to compensate the
> non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of an Islamic
> state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their bottle has been
> damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said - "Muslims, do not
> insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers, for they will
> insult your God in return" and that the obligations of humanity are
> binding in our relations even with those we consider to be our
> enemies. Interesting stuff, coming as it does from the man who is so
> offen held up as a figure of inflexible bigotry.
>
> By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and
> witnessed.
>
> best
>
> Shuddha
> - Show quoted text -
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>
> On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
>
> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir
> - its "Liquor Policy":
>
> http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>
> "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir would
> be such that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims. It would
> be prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if minorities feel
> they want to have liquor they would be allowed to consume as their
> right,"
>
> Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
> I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This sounds
> suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>
> Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims ..... no
> Liquor
>
> Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>
> ............. aalok aima
>
>
>
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> to Shuddhabrata, cashmeeri, Sarai
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> The point probably the mailer was making and you are missing is that
> the assumption is that SASG's "free" Kashmir will be primarily an
> Islamic state that will allow some unislamic things to happen. This is
> the same vision of Hindu Rashtra that Advani was selling to Indians
> when BJP was being seen as taking power away in India.
>
> That you don't necessarily agree with SASG makes no freaking sense to
> me especially when you have unequivocally blatantly unskeptically
> defended and justified SASG on this forum. By becoming a SASG stooge
> you have joined the ranks of RSS. By putting SASG and MK Gandhi in the
> same sentence you killed the embodiment of nonviolence once more, and
> joined RSS ranks in more than one way.
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuddhabrata Sengupta"
> <shuddha at sarai.net>
> To: "cashmeeri" <cashmeeri at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the
> Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate
> than Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition,
> (regardless of whether one was or was not a believer in any religion)
> and was even against the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we
> think that his vision of 'Ram Rajya' would be identical to what
> Aalok Aima considers to be an Islamic state?
>
> Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
> long as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr.
> Aima's suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's
> Gujarat (and the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we
> have come to having an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest
> we actually came to being an Islamic state in India was actually
> during Morarji Desai;s prime ministership, when some of the current
> champions of Hindutva were in power, when total prohibition was
> imposed on all of India. In fact we came even closer than the vision
> of SAS Geelani, which at least allows the 'non-believer' his or her
> daily tipple? Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went on to suggest that if a
> bottle of alchohl belongiing to a non believer was willingly or
> unwillingly damaged by a Muslim, then the state would have to
> compensate the non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of
> an Islamic state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their
> bottle has been damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said -
> "Muslims, do not insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers,
> for they will insult your God in return" and that the obligations of
> humanity are binding in our relations even with those we consider to
> be our enemies. Interesting stuff, coming as it does from the man
> who is so offen held up as a figure of inflexible bigotry.
>
> By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and
> witnessed.
>
> best
>
> Shuddha
>
>
> On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>
>
> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free
> Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy":
>
> http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>
> "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir
> would be such that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims.
> It would be prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if
> minorities feel they want to have liquor they would be allowed to
> consume as their right,"
>
> Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
> I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This
> sounds suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>
> Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims .....
> no Liquor
>
> Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>
> ............. aalok aima
>
>
>
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> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:49 PM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> The point probably the mailer was making and you are missing is that the
>> assumption is that SASG's "free" Kashmir will be primarily an Islamic
>> state
>> that will allow some unislamic things to happen. This is the same vision
>> of
>> Hindu Rashtra that Advani was selling to Indians when BJP was being seen
>> as
>> taking power away in India.
>>
>> That you don't necessarily agree with SASG makes no freaking sense to me
>> especially when you have unequivocally blatantly unskeptically defended
>> and
>> justified SASG on this forum. By becoming a SASG stooge you have joined
>> the
>> ranks of RSS. By putting SASG and MK Gandhi in the same sentence you
>> killed
>> the embodiment of nonviolence once more, and joined RSS ranks in more
>> than
>> one way.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuddhabrata Sengupta"
>> <shuddha at sarai.net>
>> To: "cashmeeri" <cashmeeri at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the
>> Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
>>> Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition, (regardless
>>> of
>>> whether one was or was not a believer in any religion) and was even
>>> against
>>> the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we think that his vision of
>>> 'Ram
>>> Rajya' would be identical to what Aalok Aima considers to be an Islamic
>>> state?
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
>>> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
>>> long
>>> as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr. Aima's
>>> suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's Gujarat
>>> (and
>>> the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we have come to
>>> having
>>> an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest we actually came to
>>> being
>>> an Islamic state in India was actually during Morarji Desai;s prime
>>> ministership, when some of the current champions of Hindutva were in
>>> power,
>>> when total prohibition was imposed on all of India. In fact we came even
>>> closer than the vision of SAS Geelani, which at least allows the
>>> 'non-believer' his or her daily tipple? Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went
>>> on
>>> to suggest that if a bottle of alchohl belongiing to a non believer was
>>> willingly or unwillingly damaged by a Muslim, then the state would have
>>> to
>>> compensate the non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of an
>>> Islamic state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their bottle
>>> has
>>> been damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said - "Muslims, do
>>> not
>>> insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers, for they will
>>> insult
>>> your God in return" and that the obligations of humanity are binding in
>>> our
>>> relations even with those we consider to be our enemies. Interesting
>>> stuff, coming as it does from the man who is so offen held up as a
>>> figure
>>> of inflexible bigotry.
>>>
>>> By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>>> vision
>>> of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and witnessed.
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>> Shuddha
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir - its
>>>> "Liquor Policy":
>>>>
>>>> http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>>>>
>>>> "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir would be
>>>> such
>>>> that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims. It would be
>>>> prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if minorities feel they
>>>> want
>>>> to have liquor they would be allowed to consume as their right,"
>>>>
>>>> Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
>>>> I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This sounds
>>>> suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims ..... no
>>>> Liquor
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>>>>
>>>> ............. aalok aima
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________
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>>>
>>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>>> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>>> Raqs Media Collective
>>> shuddha at sarai.net
>>> www.sarai.net
>>> www.raqsmediacollective.net
>>>
>>>
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