[Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"

Inder Salim indersalim at gmail.com
Sun Oct 24 18:38:52 IST 2010 

are not there dances
which are based on war
do they glorify wars?


On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:35 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> But dear Inder Salim ji. I think I read that statement and expressed my
> skepticism. If Inder Salim ji says he does not support violence but
> glorifies stone pelters on any forum to do with Kashmiri separatists, I will
> have reason to be skeptical about his statement about nonviolence.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Inder Salim" <indersalim at gmail.com>
> To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the
> Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
>
>
>> But dear Taraprakash ji
>> Shudda concludes
>>
>> "By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I  know and
>> witnessed."
>>
>>
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>> cashmeeri
>> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir - its
>> "Liqu...
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>> 2:38 PM (22 hours ago)
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>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
>> Mohandas ...
>>
>> 3:03 PM (22 hours ago)
>> Shuddhabrata SenguptaLoading...
>> 3:03 PM (22 hours ago)
>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> to cashmeeri, Sarai
>>
>> show details 3:03 PM (22 hours ago)
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
>> Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition,
>> (regardless of whether one was or was not a believer in any religion)
>> and was even against the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we think
>> that his vision of 'Ram Rajya'  would be identical to what Aalok Aima
>> considers to be an Islamic state?
>>
>> Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
>> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
>> long as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr.
>> Aima's suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's
>> Gujarat (and the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we
>> have come to having an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest we
>> actually came to being an Islamic state in India was actually during
>> Morarji Desai;s prime ministership, when some of the current champions
>> of Hindutva were in power, when total prohibition was imposed on all
>> of India. In fact we came even closer than the vision of SAS Geelani,
>> which at least allows the 'non-believer' his or her daily tipple?
>> Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went on to suggest that if a bottle of
>> alchohl belongiing to a non believer was willingly or unwillingly
>> damaged by a Muslim, then the state would have to compensate the
>> non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of an Islamic
>> state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their bottle has been
>> damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said - "Muslims, do not
>> insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers, for they will
>> insult your God in return" and that the obligations of humanity are
>> binding in our relations even with those we consider to be our
>> enemies.  Interesting stuff, coming as it does from the man who is so
>> offen held up as a figure of inflexible bigotry.
>>
>> By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I  know and
>> witnessed.
>>
>> best
>>
>> Shuddha
>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>>
>>   - Show quoted text -
>>
>>   Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir
>> - its "Liquor Policy":
>>
>>   http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>>
>>   "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir would
>> be such that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims. It would
>> be prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if minorities feel
>> they want to have liquor they would be allowed to consume as their
>> right,"
>>
>>   Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
>>   I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This sounds
>> suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>>
>>   Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims ..... no Liquor
>>
>>   Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>>
>>   ............. aalok aima
>>
>>
>>
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>> TaraPrakash
>> to Shuddhabrata, cashmeeri, Sarai
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>> show details 9:49 PM (15 hours ago)
>>
>> The point probably the mailer was making and you are missing is that
>> the assumption is that SASG's "free" Kashmir will be primarily an
>> Islamic state that will allow some unislamic things to happen. This is
>> the same vision of Hindu Rashtra that Advani was selling to Indians
>> when BJP was being seen as taking power away in India.
>>
>> That you don't necessarily agree with SASG makes no freaking sense to
>> me especially when you have unequivocally blatantly unskeptically
>> defended and justified SASG on this forum. By becoming a SASG stooge
>> you have joined the ranks of RSS. By putting SASG and MK Gandhi in the
>> same sentence you killed the embodiment of nonviolence once more, and
>> joined RSS ranks in more than one way.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuddhabrata Sengupta"
>> <shuddha at sarai.net>
>> To: "cashmeeri" <cashmeeri at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the
>> Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate
>> than Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition,
>> (regardless of whether one was or was not a believer in any religion)
>> and was even against the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we
>> think that his vision of 'Ram Rajya'  would be identical to what
>> Aalok Aima considers to be an Islamic state?
>>
>>   Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
>> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
>> long as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr.
>> Aima's suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's
>> Gujarat (and the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we
>> have come to having an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest
>> we actually came to being an Islamic state in India was actually
>> during Morarji Desai;s prime ministership, when some of the current
>> champions of Hindutva were in power, when total prohibition was
>> imposed on all of India. In fact we came even closer than the vision
>> of SAS Geelani, which at least allows the 'non-believer' his or her
>> daily tipple? Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went on to suggest that if a
>> bottle of alchohl belongiing to a non believer was willingly or
>> unwillingly damaged by a Muslim, then the state would have to
>> compensate the non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of
>> an Islamic state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their
>> bottle has been damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said -
>> "Muslims, do not insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers,
>> for they will insult your God in return" and that the obligations of
>> humanity are binding in our relations even with those we consider to
>> be our enemies.  Interesting stuff, coming as it does from the man
>> who is so offen held up as a figure of inflexible bigotry.
>>
>>   By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>> vision of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I  know and
>> witnessed.
>>
>>   best
>>
>>   Shuddha
>>
>>
>>   On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>>
>>
>>       Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free
>> Kashmir -  its "Liquor Policy":
>>
>>       http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>>
>>       "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir
>> would be  such that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims.
>> It would  be prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if
>> minorities feel  they want to have liquor they would be allowed to
>> consume as their  right,"
>>
>>       Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
>>       I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This
>> sounds suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>>
>>       Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims .....
>> no  Liquor
>>
>>       Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>>
>>       ............. aalok aima
>>
>>
>>
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>>   Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>>   The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>>   Raqs Media Collective
>>   shuddha at sarai.net
>>   www.sarai.net
>>   www.raqsmediacollective.net
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:49 PM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The point probably the mailer was making and you are missing is that the
>>> assumption is that SASG's "free" Kashmir will be primarily an Islamic
>>> state
>>> that will allow some unislamic things to happen. This is the same vision
>>> of
>>> Hindu Rashtra that Advani was selling to Indians when BJP was being seen
>>> as
>>> taking power away in India.
>>>
>>> That you don't necessarily agree with SASG makes no freaking sense to me
>>> especially when you have unequivocally blatantly unskeptically defended
>>> and
>>> justified SASG on this forum. By becoming a SASG stooge you have joined
>>> the
>>> ranks of RSS. By putting SASG and MK Gandhi in the same sentence you
>>> killed
>>> the embodiment of nonviolence once more, and joined RSS ranks in more
>>> than
>>> one way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuddhabrata Sengupta"
>>> <shuddha at sarai.net>
>>> To: "cashmeeri" <cashmeeri at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:33 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Geelani announced one Article of the
>>> Constitutionof Free Kashmir - its "Liquor Policy"
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, on these grounds, Syed Ali Shah Geelani is more moderate than
>>>> Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who advocated total prohibition, (regardless
>>>> of
>>>> whether one was or was not a believer in any religion) and was even
>>>> against
>>>> the drinking of tea. Does that mean that we think that his vision of
>>>> 'Ram
>>>> Rajya' would be identical to what Aalok Aima considers to be an Islamic
>>>> state?
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, the state of Gujarat, has consistently imposed total
>>>> prohibition in deference to M.K. Gandhi's ideas on prohibition for as
>>>> long
>>>> as it has existed as a state of the Indian Union. So, as per Mr. Aima's
>>>> suggestion, would we now be prepared to admit that Mr. Modi's Gujarat
>>>> (and
>>>> the Gujarat of all his predecessors) is the closest we have come to
>>>> having
>>>> an 'islamic State' in India. Oh no, the closest we actually came to
>>>> being
>>>> an Islamic state in India was actually during Morarji Desai;s prime
>>>> ministership, when some of the current champions of Hindutva were in
>>>> power,
>>>> when total prohibition was imposed on all of India. In fact we came even
>>>> closer than the vision of SAS Geelani, which at least allows the
>>>> 'non-believer' his or her daily tipple? Incidentally, Mr. Geelani went
>>>> on
>>>> to suggest that if a bottle of alchohl belongiing to a non believer was
>>>> willingly or unwillingly damaged by a Muslim, then the state would have
>>>> to
>>>> compensate the non-believer for that damage. I haven;t quite heard of an
>>>> Islamic state willing to pay people to drink alchohl (if their bottle
>>>> has
>>>> been damaged). He went on to quote an 'aayat' that said - "Muslims, do
>>>> not
>>>> insult even the idols (but) of the idol worshippers, for they will
>>>> insult
>>>> your God in return" and that the obligations of humanity are binding in
>>>> our
>>>> relations even with those we consider to be our enemies. Interesting
>>>> stuff, coming as it does from the man who is so offen held up as a
>>>> figure
>>>> of inflexible bigotry.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, none of this means that I agree with Mr. SAS Geelani;s
>>>> vision
>>>> of the future. I am merely stating the facts that I know and witnessed.
>>>>
>>>> best
>>>>
>>>> Shuddha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22-Oct-10, at 2:38 PM, cashmeeri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Geelani announced one Article of the Constitution of Free Kashmir - its
>>>>> "Liquor Policy":
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a176267.html
>>>>>
>>>>> "The system of justice in an independent Jammu and Kashmir would be
>>>>> such
>>>>> that even liquor would not be banned for non-Muslims. It would be
>>>>> prohibited fo......r the Muslim majority but if minorities feel they
>>>>> want
>>>>> to have liquor they would be allowed to consume as their right,"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello!!!! Hello!!!!
>>>>> I thought it was going to be a Secular Free Kashmir. This sounds
>>>>> suspiciously like an Islamic Free Kashmir.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting prospect : Free Kashmir ..... no Non-Muslims ..... no
>>>>> Liquor
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it is the "Tourism Policy"
>>>>>
>>>>> ............. aalok aima
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _________________________________________
>>>>> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
>>>>> Critiques & Collaborations
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>>>>> subscribe in the subject header.
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>>>>
>>>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>>>> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>>>> Raqs Media Collective
>>>> shuddha at sarai.net
>>>> www.sarai.net
>>>> www.raqsmediacollective.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________
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>>>
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