[Reader-list] drag the likes of arundhati roy to the people's court for adjucation?

Sun Oct 31 14:58:03 IST 2010

anupam

" will people of India decide on kashmir or kashmiris will themselves decide their fate? please answer this question"

the people of india will decide through the constitution of india ....... right now, other than  inclusion of shariah laws with primacy given to them or the choice of seccession, the coi offers every other aspect of self-determination

in the context of the 'aazadi' aspiration of some, ms radha kumar has reportedly suggested that the coi can be amended ...... it surely can ...... whether that amending can go to the extent of the coi allowing seccession remains to be seen 

in talking about 'kashmir', we tend to forget that it refers to 'kashmir valley' which is only a part of the disputed pre-partition j&k that is split between the indian and pakistani sides of the loc

even if we disregard any limitations imposed by the coi, the option for kashmiris to decide their fate is unlikely to be in exclusivity but will be linked to the resolution of the overarching dispute over pre-partition j&k

as things stand today it appears that out of that pre-partition j&k, the 'tehreek' (movement) is only of some muslims who are primarily of kashmiri valley and are primarily of kashmiri ethnicity (this is of course my opinion and there can be endless but futile argumentation around it)

............... aalok aima   

--- On Sun, 10/31/10, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:

From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] drag the likes of arundhati roy to the people's court for adjucation?
To: "Aalok Aima" <aalok.aima at yahoo.com>, "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 11:29 AM

In a conflict of aspirations, even Gods give up. How are we suggesting that there exists a peoples' court in context of Kashmir? Who are the people here? all this while, I thought and I know those who reside in Kashmir are the people that Geelani is referring to. don't you think so? why should rest of India have a say in matters pertaining Kashmir? how many of us have actually gone and worked, and have also tried to understand the aspirations of people in Kashmir while identitarian conflicts started way back in the 40s? now we are screaming that Roy and others should be taken to the peoples court? will people of India decide on kashmir or kashmiris will themselves decide their fate? please answer this question. 

anupam 

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Aalok Aima <aalok.aima at yahoo.com> wrote:

inder

i wanted to alter your sentence a bit and ask you to "rave for the absence of rationality and honesty in your heart" ...... problem was i did not know what it means/implies

geelani (as per the gk report) advised us that those who he judges as guilty of "commit treason with the martyr's blood" (as per his standards) are also doing "irreparable damage to the collective cause of nation" (his concept of nation); are "traitors" and will get "dragged to the people’s court for adjudication"

my question was that whether "similarly" (using geelani's standards) "the likes of arundhati roy" should be "dragged to the people's court for adjucation" for doing "irreparable damage to the collective cause of nation" (the indian nation)?

you could have answered that question ....... what was the need for going into a "rave"?

i really did not understand what you were about in your response:

"finally it is about you" (what is about me? there was no mention of a 'me' in my comment)

"your choice of punishing people" (my choice? it is geelani's choice ..... mine was a question prompted by geelani's choice)

"i would like to know your full list, or it has just begun, with Roy as NO.1" (i have no list for punishment for anyone)

"it is interesting to see how proud citizens like you easily condone the terrible long long list of politicians and beauracrats who loot the country as every moment" (i too would find it interesting if i were to do such a thing ....... you seem to be sure that i have done it ..... any evidence of it?)

"but ah, you might be the beneficiary of this rotten system of ours and so why to talk about that. right" (not right and your styatement borders on the 'libel' of suggesting that i could be the 'beneficiary' of a 'rotten system')

"What you want is witch hunting, of pushing the female goat to the exit doors of the city, and kill her, for the purification of the city. Sad" (it is sad that you should unthinkingly make that accusation without knowing anything about me ....... tell me ..... did you just call arundhati a 'witch' and a 'female goat'?)  

"you are propagating fascism and not about the justice for those who are suffering" (since i have not propagated anything here but asked a question derived from geelani's propagation, how am i propagating fascism? or did you mean that i was propagating geelani's fascism? )

"you want saner voice to die before they are even heard" (no i do not want anyone to die ..... i am against the 'death' diktat even if issued by a court of law ...... do not want anyone sane or insane to die)

"Because we are shining india." (sorry to disappoint you ..... i do not subscribe to the bjp propaganda of 'shining india' or the concept of 'india is a super power')

"How true, just see, you have posted a line about the scam of Adarsh Nagar in Mumbai," (what is true? where have i posted a line about the adarsh nagar scam?)

you should stop 'raving'

........... aalok aima

--- On Sat, 10/30/10, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] drag the likes of arundhati roy to the people's court for adjucation?
To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 4:39 PM

Dear Aalok
finally it is about you,
your choice of punishing people, i would like to know your full list,
or it has just begun, with Roy as NO.1.

it is very interesting to see how proud citizens like you easily
condone the terrible long long list of politicians and beauracrats who
loot the country as every moment, but ah, you might be the beneficiary
of this rotten system of ours and so why to talk about that. right

What you want is witch hunting, of pushing the female goat to the exit
doors of the city, and kill her, for the purification of the city. Sad

you are propagating fascism, and not about the justice for those who
are suffering
you want saner voice to die before they are even heard. Because we are
shining india.

How true, just see, you have posted a line about the scam of Adarsh
Nagar in Mumbai, becuase they all look very clean, swear the Gita and
Constituion of India as many times as they are offered promotions: all
the Generals and kins of CM. shame

shame for the absence of the brave hearts

please keep it up

but rave for the absence of love in your heart

is

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Aalok Aima <aalok.aima at yahoo.com> wrote:
> should the likes of arundhati roy be similarly 'dragged to the people's court for adjucation' for doing 'irreparable damage to the collective cause of nation' ?
>
> geelani said:
>
> "Those who show any laxity or violate the protest programmes in these days will not only commit treason with the martyrs’ blood but also do an irreparable damage to the collective cause of nation. The pro-freedom young generation will not tolerate such traitors and they will be dragged to the people’s court for adjudication,"
>
> .......... aalok aima
>
> http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2010/Oct/30/next-10-days-crucial-geelani-49.asp
>
> Next 10-days crucial: Geelani
> GK NEWS NETWORK
> Srinagar, Oct 29: Reiterating his call for complete shutdown on October 30, the Hurriyat Conference (G) chairman Syed Ali Shah Geelani has said the coming 10 days were of great significance for the ongoing movement.
>
> Geelani, according to a Hurriyat statement, has stressed for intensifying the protest programmes in coming days. “Those who show any laxity or violate the protest programmes in these days will not only commit treason with the martyrs’ blood but also do an irreparable damage to the collective cause of nation. The pro-freedom young generation will not tolerate such traitors and they will be dragged to the people’s court for adjudication,” Geelani said, appealing to the Sumo and auto rickshaw operators to appreciate of the sensitivity of situation and desist from causing damage to the interest of movement.
>
>  “Our freedom struggle has taken a new direction and this change has not only attracted the international focus but has also shaken the stubborn Indian rulers, giving them sleepless nights. This new phase of struggle has encouraged and generated a new hope in people for making their sacrifices result oriented,” said Geelani, adding that showing any weakness or laxity at this juncture would be extremely detrimental to the cause of freedom.
>
>  Geelani said, “Presently strong and effective voices are not only raised in the world in favour of Kashmiris’ cause but in India too people have started feeling the pain and agony of Kashmiris.”
>
>  “The forthcoming visit of American president to India has drawn the attention of whole world to South Asia particularly Kashmir. So it is all the more imperative for us to highlight the atrocities being perpetrated on us by India more and more forcefully to put across a message to the world that the resolution of 63-year old Kashmir issue could not be further delayed any more. And delay in resolving this issue will not only endanger the life of human beings in the region but also make peace a far fetched dream in South Asia,” said Geelani.
>
>
>
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