[Reader-list] drag the likes of arundhati roy to the people's court for adjucation?

Sun Oct 31 15:23:38 IST 2010

Thank you for reply and thanks for adding :(this is of course my opinion and
there can be endless but futile argumentation around it)

I have a question that follows from your response where you have stated: the
people of india will decide through the constitution of india ....... right
now, other than  inclusion of shariah laws with primacy given to them or the
choice of seccession, the coi offers every other aspect of
self-determination.

How is Constitution of India "offering" something called self determination?
If it so serious about this elusive ideal called self determination, what
are the security forces doing in kashmir? can self determination be achieved
if people resort to pelting stones? so what has prompted them to pelt stones
if the CoI is offering such a sweet deal for the kashmiris.

Anupam

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Aalok Aima <aalok.aima at yahoo.com> wrote:

> anupam
>
> " will people of India decide on kashmir or kashmiris will themselves
> decide their fate? please answer this question"
>
> the people of india will decide through the constitution of india .......
> right now, other than  inclusion of shariah laws with primacy given to them
> or the choice of seccession, the coi offers every other aspect of
> self-determination
>
> in the context of the 'aazadi' aspiration of some, ms radha kumar has
> reportedly suggested that the coi can be amended ...... it surely can ......
> whether that amending can go to the extent of the coi allowing seccession
> remains to be seen
>
> in talking about 'kashmir', we tend to forget that it refers to 'kashmir
> valley' which is only a part of the disputed pre-partition j&k that is split
> between the indian and pakistani sides of the loc
>
> even if we disregard any limitations imposed by the coi, the option for
> kashmiris to decide their fate is unlikely to be in exclusivity but will be
> linked to the resolution of the overarching dispute over pre-partition j&k
>
> as things stand today it appears that out of that pre-partition j&k, the
> 'tehreek' (movement) is only of some muslims who are primarily of kashmiri
> valley and are primarily of kashmiri ethnicity (this is of course my opinion
> and there can be endless but futile argumentation around it)
>
> ............... aalok aima
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 10/31/10, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] drag the likes of arundhati roy to the people's
> court for adjucation?
> To: "Aalok Aima" <aalok.aima at yahoo.com>, "sarai list" <
> reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 11:29 AM
>
>
> In a conflict of aspirations, even Gods give up. How are we suggesting that
> there exists a peoples' court in context of Kashmir? Who are the people
> here? all this while, I thought and I know those who reside in Kashmir are
> the people that Geelani is referring to. don't you think so? why should rest
> of India have a say in matters pertaining Kashmir? how many of us have
> actually gone and worked, and have also tried to understand the aspirations
> of people in Kashmir while identitarian conflicts started way back in the
> 40s? now we are screaming that Roy and others should be taken to the peoples
> court? will people of India decide on kashmir or kashmiris will themselves
> decide their fate? please answer this question.
>
> anupam
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Aalok Aima <aalok.aima at yahoo.com<http://de.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aalok.aima@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> inder
>
> i wanted to alter your sentence a bit and ask you to "rave for the absence
> of rationality and honesty in your heart" ...... problem was i did not know
> what it means/implies
>
> geelani (as per the gk report) advised us that those who he judges
> as guilty of "commit treason with the martyr's blood" (as per his standards)
> are also doing "irreparable damage to the collective cause of nation" (his
> concept of nation); are "traitors" and will get "dragged to the people’s
> court for adjudication"
>
> my question was that whether "similarly" (using geelani's standards) "the
> likes of arundhati roy" should be "dragged to the people's court for
> adjucation" for doing "irreparable damage to the collective cause of nation"
> (the indian nation)?
>
> you could have answered that question ....... what was the need for going
> into a "rave"?
>
> i really did not understand what you were about in your response:
>
> "finally it is about you" (what is about me? there was no mention of a
> 'me' in my comment)
>
> "your choice of punishing people" (my choice? it is geelani's choice .....
> mine was a question prompted by geelani's choice)
>
> "i would like to know your full list, or it has just begun, with Roy as
> NO.1" (i have no list for punishment for anyone)
>
> "it is interesting to see how proud citizens like you easily condone the
> terrible long long list of politicians and beauracrats who loot the country
> as every moment" (i too would find it interesting if i were to do such a
> thing ....... you seem to be sure that i have done it ..... any evidence of
> it?)
>
> "but ah, you might be the beneficiary of this rotten system of ours and so
> why to talk about that. right" (not right and your styatement borders on the
> 'libel' of suggesting that i could be the 'beneficiary' of a 'rotten
> system')
>
> "What you want is witch hunting, of pushing the female goat to the exit
> doors of the city, and kill her, for the purification of the city. Sad" (it
> is sad that you should unthinkingly make that accusation without knowing
> anything about me ....... tell me ..... did you just call arundhati a
> 'witch' and a 'female goat'?)
>
> "you are propagating fascism and not about the justice for those who are
> suffering" (since i have not propagated anything here but asked a question
> derived from geelani's propagation, how am i propagating fascism? or did you
> mean that i was propagating geelani's fascism? )
>
> "you want saner voice to die before they are even heard" (no i do not want
> anyone to die ..... i am against the 'death' diktat even if issued by a
> court of law ...... do not want anyone sane or insane to die)
>
> "Because we are shining india." (sorry to disappoint you ..... i do not
> subscribe to the bjp propaganda of 'shining india' or the concept of 'india
> is a super power')
>
> "How true, just see, you have posted a line about the scam of Adarsh Nagar
> in Mumbai," (what is true? where have i posted a line about the adarsh nagar
> scam?)
>
> you should stop 'raving'
>
> ........... aalok aima
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/30/10, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com<http://de.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indersalim@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com<http://de.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indersalim@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] drag the likes of arundhati roy to the people's
> court for adjucation?
> To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net<http://de.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reader-list@sarai.net>
> >
> Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 4:39 PM
>
>
> Dear Aalok
> finally it is about you,
> your choice of punishing people, i would like to know your full list,
> or it has just begun, with Roy as NO.1.
>
> it is very interesting to see how proud citizens like you easily
> condone the terrible long long list of politicians and beauracrats who
> loot the country as every moment, but ah, you might be the beneficiary
> of this rotten system of ours and so why to talk about that. right
>
> What you want is witch hunting, of pushing the female goat to the exit
> doors of the city, and kill her, for the purification of the city. Sad
>
> you are propagating fascism, and not about the justice for those who
> are suffering
> you want saner voice to die before they are even heard. Because we are
> shining india.
>
> How true, just see, you have posted a line about the scam of Adarsh
> Nagar in Mumbai, becuase they all look very clean, swear the Gita and
> Constituion of India as many times as they are offered promotions: all
> the Generals and kins of CM. shame
>
> shame for the absence of the brave hearts
>
> please keep it up
>
> but rave for the absence of love in your heart
>
> is
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Aalok Aima <aalok.aima at yahoo.com<http://de.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aalok.aima@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> > should the likes of arundhati roy be similarly 'dragged to the people's
> court for adjucation' for doing 'irreparable damage to the collective cause
> of nation' ?
> >
> > geelani said:
> >
> > "Those who show any laxity or violate the protest programmes in these
> days will not only commit treason with the martyrs’ blood but also do an
> irreparable damage to the collective cause of nation. The pro-freedom young
> generation will not tolerate such traitors and they will be dragged to the
> people’s court for adjudication,"
> >
> > .......... aalok aima
> >
> >
> http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2010/Oct/30/next-10-days-crucial-geelani-49.asp
> >
> > Next 10-days crucial: Geelani
> > GK NEWS NETWORK
> > Srinagar, Oct 29: Reiterating his call for complete shutdown on October
> 30, the Hurriyat Conference (G) chairman Syed Ali Shah Geelani has said the
> coming 10 days were of great significance for the ongoing movement.
> >
> > Geelani, according to a Hurriyat statement, has stressed for intensifying
> the protest programmes in coming days. “Those who show any laxity or violate
> the protest programmes in these days will not only commit treason with the
> martyrs’ blood but also do an irreparable damage to the collective cause of
> nation. The pro-freedom young generation will not tolerate such traitors and
> they will be dragged to the people’s court for adjudication,” Geelani said,
> appealing to the Sumo and auto rickshaw operators to appreciate of the
> sensitivity of situation and desist from causing damage to the interest of
> movement.
> >
> >  “Our freedom struggle has taken a new direction and this change has not
> only attracted the international focus but has also shaken the stubborn
> Indian rulers, giving them sleepless nights. This new phase of struggle has
> encouraged and generated a new hope in people for making their sacrifices
> result oriented,” said Geelani, adding that showing any weakness or laxity
> at this juncture would be extremely detrimental to the cause of freedom.
> >
> >  Geelani said, “Presently strong and effective voices are not only raised
> in the world in favour of Kashmiris’ cause but in India too people have
> started feeling the pain and agony of Kashmiris.”
> >
> >  “The forthcoming visit of American president to India has drawn the
> attention of whole world to South Asia particularly Kashmir. So it is all
> the more imperative for us to highlight the atrocities being perpetrated on
> us by India more and more forcefully to put across a message to the world
> that the resolution of 63-year old Kashmir issue could not be further
> delayed any more. And delay in resolving this issue will not only endanger
> the life of human beings in the region but also make peace a far fetched
> dream in South Asia,” said Geelani.
> >
> >
> >
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