[Reader-list] Fw: Re: Why Kashmir defies solutions

[SJabbar]

You're right Jeebesh, and most people who were recruited were absolutely
loyal to the British Empire and deeply suspicious of the Congress.  And why
just speak of the 20th c. ? In 1857 the country was deeply divided and very
few at the time articulated it as a 'war for independence.'  It would be
foolish to say that those who served the British Empire were closet
nationalists forced into furthering their careers by joining the army or
ICS.


On 07/09/10 5:22 PM, "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:

> recruitment in indian subcontinent during the ww1 and ww2 for jobs in  
the
> british army was very high. what did this say about the aspiration  
and lives
> being led at that time in the sub continent. do we even  
count that number
> today in discussing 20s, 30s, 40s, in the sub  
continent?

On 07-Sep-10, at
> 2:10 PM, SJabbar wrote:

> But Gowhar, what happens when a man who hitherto
> abhors an  
> institution joins
> it? What happens to that extreme emotion
> when the line is crossed,  
> when the
> uniform is donned, when the 'danda'
> drops firmly into his hands?
> By your logic all those who joined the force
> post-1990 once abhorred  
> the
> institution and now have become the
> oppressors.  And those who pelt  
> stones
> at the oppressors now want to
> join the same hated institution only  
> to become
> future oppressors?  Not
> one, not two but 60,000 young men?  You may
> understand this, but I have to
> tell you, it's left me totally  
> perplexed.
>
>
> On 07/09/10 1:58 PM,
> "gowhar fazli" <gowharfazili at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> I don't like the heading
> "Why Kashmir
>> defies solutions".
>>
>> It is in
>>> these moments that the
> real desperation and loss
>> of self of Kashmiris as a
>>> people becomes
> evident. For
>> livelihood they have to stoop before the same
>>>
> institutions
>> that torment them or that they abhor for obvious
> reasons.
>>
>>> This contradiction that runs through their very selves,
>>
> prevents people
>>> from acquiring a full blown human-hood.
>>
>> There should
> be no guilt or
>>> indignity associated with
>> acquiring of livelihood
> through legitimate means,
>>> but this
>> is the case one way or the other,
> for most people in
>> Kashmir.
>>> The boundaries between legitimate and
> illegitimate
>> are dizzyingly fuzzy
>>> because of the manner in which the
>>
> selves are split.
>>
>> If not for any
>>> other but for the indignities
> involved in
>> the status quo that Kashmir issue
>>> should be resolved for
>>
> good.
>>
>> --- On Tue, 9/7/10, SJabbar
>>> <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
>>
> wrote:
>>
>>> From: SJabbar
>>> <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
>>> Subject:
> [Reader-list] Why Kashmir defies
>>> solutions
>>> To: "Sarai"
> <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> Date: Tuesday,
>>> September 7, 2010, 10:19 AM
>>>
> Printed from
>>>
>>> Khaki enemy? 60,000
>>> Kashmiris apply for 3,000
> police
>> jobs
>>> M Saleem Pandit, TNN, Sep 7,
>>> 2010, 01.30am IST
>>>
> SRINAGAR: Despite reports of desertions in its ranks
>>
>>> and
>>> threats of
> social
>>> boycott, J&K police has emerged as a big draw
>>> for
>> young
>>>
> job hunters in
>>> employment-starved Kashmir. Ignoring calls
>>> by
>>
> hardliners to
>>> shun the khaki
>>> force, nearly 60,000 men applied
>>> for
> less than 3,000
>> jobs
>>> in J&K police --
>>> about 200 applicants for
>>>
> one constable's post.
>>>
>>> The applications piled up over the last few
>>>
> months,
>> about
>>> the time when the
>>> situation in the Valley appeared
> to
>>> be spinning out
>> of
>>> control with the cops
>>> particularly being
> at the
>>> receiving end of public
>> wrath.
>>>
>>> J&K police DG Kuldeep
> Khoda said
>>> the department
>> has
>>> received 58,975
>>> applications,
> against 2,786
>>> vacancies across the
>> Valley.
>>> "The response from
>>>
> (the worst-hit)
>>> Srinagar and Budgam districts was even
>> more
>>>
> heartening," he
>>> said.
>>> "We've received 2,860 applications, against
> 529
>> posts
>>> in Srinagar
>>>
>>> district, while 8053 against 283 in
> Budgam," he said.
>>>
>>> Lack of jobs
>>> has been a big spur for the
> protests
>> that
>>> brought thousands of
>>>
>>> young educated men on to the
> streets. Official
>> estimates of
>>> the number
>>> of
>>> unemployed in the
> Valley stands at 3 lakhs.
>>>
>>> Khoda told
>>> reporters the department held
> a
>> recruitment
>>> rally in Baramulla
>>>
>>> district in July and was
> overwhelmed with the
>> response.
>>> "Over 8,000
>>> people
>>> turned up for
> 412 posts despite turmoil in the
>> district,"
>>> he
>>> said, and added
>>>
> that even stone-pelters attended the rally. He said
>>
>>> the
>>> department
> was
>>> mulling more on-the-spot recruitment drives
>>> across
>> the
>>>
> Valley, particularly
>>> in Srinagar's downtown area to end
>>> the
> unrest.
>>>
>>> The top cop rubbished reports on desertions and
>>>
>>>
> insubordination. He claimed
>>> no police personnel had quit since
> mid-June
>>> when
>> Kashmir
>>> erupted in anger
>>> against the alleged
> staged encounter
>>> of three north
>> Kashmir
>>> youth and a
>>> 17-year-old
> boy's killing in
>>> police action. Over 60
>> people,
>>> including women
>>>
> and children, have
>>> died in police firing on
>> protesters
>>> since
> then.
>>>
>>> State
>>> government sources said J&K CM Omar
>> Abdullah,
> who
>>> has called for a
>>>
>>> proactive approach including the phased
> revocation of
>> the
>>>
>>> controversial
>>> Armed Forces Special Forces Act
> to deal with street
>>>
>>> protests, has ordered
>>> creation of more police
> jobs to induct youth from
>>> the
>>> troubled areas.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, in
> its ongoing drive to reach out
>>> to the
>> people,
>>> Kashmir range
>>> IGP
> Kashmir, S M Sahai, attended
>>> police-public
>> meetings in
>>> Ganderbal
> and
>>> Budgam districts. "At
>>> Ganderbal District Police
>> Lines,
>>>
> around 300 people
>>> including senior
>>> citizens and sarpanchs
> participated,"
>> a
>>> police spokesman
>>> said.
>>> "Sahai assured the
> people that police will
>> adopt
>>> maximum restraint
>>>
>>> while dealing
> with law and order situations."
>>>
>>>
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