[Reader-list] Fw: Re: Why Kashmir defies solutions

[Jeebesh]

agreed. but how come they all became unquestionable nationalists after  
1947?

On 07-Sep-10, at 5:41 PM, SJabbar wrote:

> You're right Jeebesh, and most people who were recruited were  
> absolutely
> loyal to the British Empire and deeply suspicious of the Congress.   
> And why
> just speak of the 20th c. ? In 1857 the country was deeply divided  
> and very
> few at the time articulated it as a 'war for independence.'  It  
> would be
> foolish to say that those who served the British Empire were closet
> nationalists forced into furthering their careers by joining the  
> army or
> ICS.
>
>
> On 07/09/10 5:22 PM, "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>
>> recruitment in indian subcontinent during the ww1 and ww2 for jobs in
> the
>> british army was very high. what did this say about the aspiration
> and lives
>> being led at that time in the sub continent. do we even
> count that number
>> today in discussing 20s, 30s, 40s, in the sub
> continent?
>
> On 07-Sep-10, at
>> 2:10 PM, SJabbar wrote:
>
>> But Gowhar, what happens when a man who hitherto
>> abhors an
>> institution joins
>> it? What happens to that extreme emotion
>> when the line is crossed,
>> when the
>> uniform is donned, when the 'danda'
>> drops firmly into his hands?
>> By your logic all those who joined the force
>> post-1990 once abhorred
>> the
>> institution and now have become the
>> oppressors.  And those who pelt
>> stones
>> at the oppressors now want to
>> join the same hated institution only
>> to become
>> future oppressors?  Not
>> one, not two but 60,000 young men?  You may
>> understand this, but I have to
>> tell you, it's left me totally
>> perplexed.
>>
>>
>> On 07/09/10 1:58 PM,
>> "gowhar fazli" <gowharfazili at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't like the heading
>> "Why Kashmir
>>> defies solutions".
>>>
>>> It is in
>>>> these moments that the
>> real desperation and loss
>>> of self of Kashmiris as a
>>>> people becomes
>> evident. For
>>> livelihood they have to stoop before the same
>>>>
>> institutions
>>> that torment them or that they abhor for obvious
>> reasons.
>>>
>>>> This contradiction that runs through their very selves,
>>>
>> prevents people
>>>> from acquiring a full blown human-hood.
>>>
>>> There should
>> be no guilt or
>>>> indignity associated with
>>> acquiring of livelihood
>> through legitimate means,
>>>> but this
>>> is the case one way or the other,
>> for most people in
>>> Kashmir.
>>>> The boundaries between legitimate and
>> illegitimate
>>> are dizzyingly fuzzy
>>>> because of the manner in which the
>>>
>> selves are split.
>>>
>>> If not for any
>>>> other but for the indignities
>> involved in
>>> the status quo that Kashmir issue
>>>> should be resolved for
>>>
>> good.
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 9/7/10, SJabbar
>>>> <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: SJabbar
>>>> <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject:
>> [Reader-list] Why Kashmir defies
>>>> solutions
>>>> To: "Sarai"
>> <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>> Date: Tuesday,
>>>> September 7, 2010, 10:19 AM
>>>>
>> Printed from
>>>>
>>>> Khaki enemy? 60,000
>>>> Kashmiris apply for 3,000
>> police
>>> jobs
>>>> M Saleem Pandit, TNN, Sep 7,
>>>> 2010, 01.30am IST
>>>>
>> SRINAGAR: Despite reports of desertions in its ranks
>>>
>>>> and
>>>> threats of
>> social
>>>> boycott, J&K police has emerged as a big draw
>>>> for
>>> young
>>>>
>> job hunters in
>>>> employment-starved Kashmir. Ignoring calls
>>>> by
>>>
>> hardliners to
>>>> shun the khaki
>>>> force, nearly 60,000 men applied
>>>> for
>> less than 3,000
>>> jobs
>>>> in J&K police --
>>>> about 200 applicants for
>>>>
>> one constable's post.
>>>>
>>>> The applications piled up over the last few
>>>>
>> months,
>>> about
>>>> the time when the
>>>> situation in the Valley appeared
>> to
>>>> be spinning out
>>> of
>>>> control with the cops
>>>> particularly being
>> at the
>>>> receiving end of public
>>> wrath.
>>>>
>>>> J&K police DG Kuldeep
>> Khoda said
>>>> the department
>>> has
>>>> received 58,975
>>>> applications,
>> against 2,786
>>>> vacancies across the
>>> Valley.
>>>> "The response from
>>>>
>> (the worst-hit)
>>>> Srinagar and Budgam districts was even
>>> more
>>>>
>> heartening," he
>>>> said.
>>>> "We've received 2,860 applications, against
>> 529
>>> posts
>>>> in Srinagar
>>>>
>>>> district, while 8053 against 283 in
>> Budgam," he said.
>>>>
>>>> Lack of jobs
>>>> has been a big spur for the
>> protests
>>> that
>>>> brought thousands of
>>>>
>>>> young educated men on to the
>> streets. Official
>>> estimates of
>>>> the number
>>>> of
>>>> unemployed in the
>> Valley stands at 3 lakhs.
>>>>
>>>> Khoda told
>>>> reporters the department held
>> a
>>> recruitment
>>>> rally in Baramulla
>>>>
>>>> district in July and was
>> overwhelmed with the
>>> response.
>>>> "Over 8,000
>>>> people
>>>> turned up for
>> 412 posts despite turmoil in the
>>> district,"
>>>> he
>>>> said, and added
>>>>
>> that even stone-pelters attended the rally. He said
>>>
>>>> the
>>>> department
>> was
>>>> mulling more on-the-spot recruitment drives
>>>> across
>>> the
>>>>
>> Valley, particularly
>>>> in Srinagar's downtown area to end
>>>> the
>> unrest.
>>>>
>>>> The top cop rubbished reports on desertions and
>>>>
>>>>
>> insubordination. He claimed
>>>> no police personnel had quit since
>> mid-June
>>>> when
>>> Kashmir
>>>> erupted in anger
>>>> against the alleged
>> staged encounter
>>>> of three north
>>> Kashmir
>>>> youth and a
>>>> 17-year-old
>> boy's killing in
>>>> police action. Over 60
>>> people,
>>>> including women
>>>>
>> and children, have
>>>> died in police firing on
>>> protesters
>>>> since
>> then.
>>>>
>>>> State
>>>> government sources said J&K CM Omar
>>> Abdullah,
>> who
>>>> has called for a
>>>>
>>>> proactive approach including the phased
>> revocation of
>>> the
>>>>
>>>> controversial
>>>> Armed Forces Special Forces Act
>> to deal with street
>>>>
>>>> protests, has ordered
>>>> creation of more police
>> jobs to induct youth from
>>>> the
>>>> troubled areas.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, in
>> its ongoing drive to reach out
>>>> to the
>>> people,
>>>> Kashmir range
>>>> IGP
>> Kashmir, S M Sahai, attended
>>>> police-public
>>> meetings in
>>>> Ganderbal
>> and
>>>> Budgam districts. "At
>>>> Ganderbal District Police
>>> Lines,
>>>>
>> around 300 people
>>>> including senior
>>>> citizens and sarpanchs
>> participated,"
>>> a
>>>> police spokesman
>>>> said.
>>>> "Sahai assured the
>> people that police will
>>> adopt
>>>> maximum restraint
>>>>
>>>> while dealing
>> with law and order situations."
>>>>
>>>>
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