[Reader-list] Art Exhibition forced to shut down by Govt.

Inder Salim indersalim at gmail.com
Fri Sep 10 01:19:14 IST 2010 

Dear Gowhar

Save me from my admirers said Oscar Wilde

the other couplet is by Chacha Ghalib

Hum kahan kay dana, kis hunar mein yakta
be-sabab hua Ghalib, dushman aasman apna.

I have nothing to declare my wisdom, or to show any talent
I (Ghalib ) feel helplessness, and even Gods seem to oppose me

a very rough translation for non-urdu wallas

thanks anyway, should meet soon,
thanks for posting stone pelting art image in FB.
it is good to see, that artist are engaging

EDD MUBARAK image is too is very good by Iftikar Jaffar
mosque tomb through barbed wires

the fact is that we are all very good people

just a word here or there

with love
is




On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, gowhar fazli <gowharfazili at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Inder,
>
> It hurts me to see someone make lose remarks against you.  But I do not have anything productive to contribute to the discussion at the moment that would improve on what you have to say.  What you write makes lots of sense to me and at times you are my inspiration.
>
> Thought i should tell you that.
>
> :)
> gowhar
>
> --- On Thu, 9/9/10, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Art Exhibition forced to shut down by Govt.
>> To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 11:30 PM
>> Dear Kshmendra
>> i always found you witty and clever while responding to
>> different mails, but
>> my respect for  sharp intelligent reflections was
>> always sincere, but sorry
>> to say i find your strings not tuned at the moment
>>
>> better if you explain simply what offended you most, if not
>> for me, but for
>> the benefit of others..... this is not a court room, there
>> is no judge, and
>> so let us not play like lawyers ( with due respect to their
>> profession )
>>
>>
>> regards
>> and love
>> is
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Inder
>> >
>> > You obviously have no sense of or respect for being
>> truthful about what the
>> > other person has said or you yourself have said
>> >
>> > Kshmendra
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On *Tue, 9/7/10, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com>*
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Art Exhibition forced to
>> shut down by Govt.
>> > To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 8:20 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Kshmendra ji
>> >
>> > In a sense, you are right, who care about Art, let it
>> go to dogs,
>> > anyway, if we are actually so insensitive to
>> corruption ( CWG), decay
>> > of food grains etc,
>> > how does it matter that art exhibitions are closed for
>> the safety of
>> > society. ( mostly middle class TV soap serial
>> watchers) ,
>> >
>> > we should actually close down all the Art institutions
>> in India and
>> > hand over to religious preachers or some corporate
>> houses which can
>> > give them some money for buying properties abroad.
>> >
>> > we have perhaps lost our aesthetic sense, i am
>> wondering even why i
>> > posted it on the list. We have lot of anger against
>> Hussain paintings,
>> > but none against poor people who live under bridges.
>> We have no desire
>> > to engage our thinking with our 40 percent below
>> poverty line
>> > population. "We are hallow men, we are shallow men,
>> head piece filled
>> > with straw."
>> >
>> > This country has no desire to love its own heritage (
>> khajuraho etc ),
>> > its own culture, its own text on free flight ( as all
>> ancient text ),
>> > but what we love is territory, flag,  army and
>> tight disciplined
>> > bureaucracy.
>> >
>> > We actually love ladoos, and grow pot belied, but
>> desire for lean
>> > blonde girls for sexual fantasy , but dont yearn to
>> liberate ...
>> >
>> > Mera Bharat Mahaan
>> >
>> > love
>> > is
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kshmendra2005@yahoo.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dear Inder
>> > >
>> > > It would have been appreciable if you had
>> accepted that there is no
>> > reference to Govt in the report and you made a
>> mistake.
>> > >
>> > > The 'centre' referred to is the Nehru Centre.
>> > >
>> > > On the face of it, as per mentioned details, I
>> personally see no great
>> > reason justifying the action taken but it would be
>> understandable if Nehru
>> > Centre being conscious of the fragile 'communal'
>> environment did not want to
>> > risk violence and maybe even consulted the "Govt"
>> before taking the action
>> > though that is not alluded to. That is sensible.
>> > >
>> > > Your comment about "Govt directly playing in the
>> hands of saffron
>> > brigade" would have been worthwhile if you did not
>> confine it to
>> > "saffron". In its current form it becomes worthless
>> one-sided propaganda.
>> > >
>> > > If you put great value of your own imagination as
>> compared to
>> > "unimaginative people " running the country, then
>> please step forward and
>> > give some concrete and imaginative proposals instead
>> of these whines about
>> > "impotency" and "mint money from CWG" and "decaying
>> institutions" and
>> > "decaying food grains"
>> > >
>> > > You can see your "imaginative" proposals for
>> rectifying things addressed
>> > by your own participation in the political processes
>> or interventions
>> > through RTI and Courts of Law.
>> > >
>> > > Kshmendra
>> > >
>> > > PS. Do you have anything other than whines?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- On Mon, 9/6/10, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indersalim@gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > From: Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indersalim@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Art Exhibition forced
>> to shut down by Govt.
>> > > To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reader-list@sarai.net>
>> > >
>> > > Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 3:35 PM
>> > >
>> > > Thanks dear Kshmendra
>> > >
>> > > "This is the
>> > > first time the centre has abruptly stopped an art
>> show."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > well, i too would not like to see Govt directly
>> playing in the hands
>> > > of saffron brigade
>> > > but that is unlikely. given the 'napusukta' (
>> impotency ) of our
>> > > politicians who only think about how to mint
>> money from things like
>> > > CWG
>> > >
>> > > This is a country run by most unimaginative
>> people, i am not mincing
>> > words
>> > > it is not only ' aesthetic' sector which is
>> suffering, all other
>> > > sensibile institutions are decaying, akin to food
>> grains storage. sad
>> > >
>> > > best
>> > > is
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 9/6/10, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kshmendra2005@yahoo.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Nowhere does it say that the Govt played any
>> part.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --- On Sun, 9/5/10, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indersalim@gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > From: Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indersalim@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > > Subject: [Reader-list] Art Exhibition forced
>> to shut down by Govt.
>> > > > To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reader-list@sarai.net>
>> > >
>> > > > Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 10:14 PM
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Provocative-work-forces-gallery-to-call-off-art-show/articleshow/6494012.cms
>> > > > --
>> > > > MUMBAI: Two "provocative" paintings by an
>> Aurangabad-based artist
>> > > > forced the Nehru Centre at Worli in Mumbai
>> to discontinue the
>> > > > exhibition on Saturday, after running it for
>> three days. This is the
>> > > > first time the centre has abruptly stopped
>> an art show.
>> > > >
>> > > > Artist Nandkumar Jogdand (43) has lodged a
>> complaint with the Worli
>> > > > police. He said this was a violation of his
>> right to express himself,
>> > > > and that the trust-owned Nehru Centre had
>> succumbed to pressure from a
>> > > > saffron group, a claim denied by the
>> management. Assistant director of
>> > > > the Nehru Centre Art Gallery Nina Rege said
>> the exhibits "were in bad
>> > > > taste and created controversy".
>> > > >
>> > > > The two paintings in question are titled
>> 'Gandhi (After Pune Karar)'
>> > > > and 'Blind Faith'. The former depicts a
>> dhoti clad Mahatma Gandhi
>> > > > striking a victim with a Trishul. The artist
>> said he got the
>> > > > inspiration for this piece after reading the
>> 'Pune Karar' or the Pune
>> > > > Pact, which happened after an agreement
>> between Gandhi and Dr
>> > > > Babasaheb Ambedkar. In the second painting,
>> 'Blind Faith', a nude
>> > > > Hindu goddess is depicted in a provocative
>> position.
>> > > >
>> > > > "When the gallery took objection to my
>> exhibits, I was prepared to
>> > > > remove 'Blind Faith' but not 'Gandhi (After
>> Pune Karar)'," said
>> > > > Nandkumar, adding that the latter is based
>> on a type of puja prevalent
>> > > > in parts of Karnataka, and that the woman
>> was not a goddess.
>> > > >
>> > > > The exhibition was allowed from September 1
>> to 3 without any
>> > > > controversy. But after complaints from an
>> "anonymous caller", Nehru
>> > > > Centre on Saturday issued a notification to
>> Nandkumar. "The paintings
>> > > > were of a nature that could give rise to
>> controversy leading to
>> > > > undesirable situation," read the letter.
>> "Therefore, in the light on
>> > > > Rule no. 3 under Conduct of Nehru Centre's
>> Art Gallery Rules and
>> > > > Regulations, we hereby direct you to remove
>> these two paintings and
>> > > > continue with your exhibition with the
>> remaining paintings. If you do
>> > > > not remove these paintings, the art gallery
>> will be closed for public
>> > > > viewing forthwith," said Rege in the
>> letter.
>> > > >
>> > > > When asked why it took the management three
>> days to discontinue the
>> > > > exhibition, Rege said: "The exhibition began
>> only on September 1 as
>> > > > Nandkumar put up his art work by late
>> evening on August 31. At the
>> > > > time, I was visiting a sick colleague and
>> returned to work on
>> > > > September 2. I then got a call from a person
>> who said the exhibits
>> > > > were objectionable. I took a round of the
>> gallery and found 'Blind
>> > > > Faith' to be controversial."
>> > > >
>> > > > Meanwhile, Nandkumar has sought police
>> protection and has demanded
>> > > > that the exhibition should run its course
>> till September 6.
>> > > >
>> > > > Read more: 'Provocative' work forces gallery
>> to call off art show -
>> > > > Mumbai - City - The Times of India
>> > > >
>> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Provocative-work-forces-gallery-to-call-off-art-show/articleshow/6494012.cms#ixzz0yfraM43q
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