[Reader-list] THROW OUT ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENT

Sat Jan 29 11:57:53 IST 2011

Dear Bipin,

I am reproducing a hadith that a friend once sent to me. I am referring to
your statement: "Move ahead and
ahead is the living way of life. Muslim religion has no democracy and cannot
digest different opinion from their rigid thought."

twenty-sixth hadith (26)
According to Ab¬ Hurayra, the Messenger of God, may God give him blessings
and
peace, spoke about the Day of Gathering, within which [the following
appears]:
And there remains that community with its unbelievers amongst
them. God, ever blessed and exalted is He, appears to them in a
form different to that form of His which they recognise, and says:
“I am your Lord!”
“We take refuge in God from you”, they reply. “This is where
we shall be until our Lord, ever mighty and majestic is He, comes
to us. And when our Lord comes to us, we will know Him.”
God, ever blessed and exalted is He, then comes to them in that
form of His which they recognise, and says: “I am your Lord!”
“You are our Lord indeed!”, they call out. They follow Him, and
the path is laid down.12
This ¢ad¨th also mentions that God says:
“He who has worshipped a thing [other than Me] shall follow it.”

thanks anupam

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:

> Dear Malik,
>
> Vastanvi is chief and so when he spoke that in Gujarat Muslims are very
> happy, living with much lower discrimination compared to most of other
> states. Since he is chief, the other Muslims leaders/chiefs objected it.
> But, if you roam in Gujarat and take the opinion from most of the
> individual
> muslims, you will get same opinion from most of them. But, those who wants
> to stick at one point is not the sign of healthy society. Move ahead and
> ahead is the living way of life. Muslim religion has no democracy and
> cannot
> digest different opinion from their rigid thought. That is why they remain
> backward. However, Muslims new generation has come out from their
> mullah/maulvi and moving ahead is a good sign. There is infocity at
> Gandhinagar, which is developing as IT hub and about 30% employer are
> Muslims. Much ahead than their population ratio in Gujarat. Many such
> non-discrimination examples can be given. In the last
> assembly/municipal/gram panchayat elections, Muslims heavily voted for BJP.
>
> The argument is airing that by flag hoisting at Srinagar, BJP is trying to
> divide the country. What a silly argument. By hoisting the flag at any part
> of the country is divisive activity! Actually the separatists at Kashmir
> really trying to divide the country, but pseudo-secular remain blind with
> such activity.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A.K. Malik [mailto:akmalik45 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:07 PM
> To: Bipin Trivedi
> Cc: Sarai List
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] THROW OUT ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENT
>
> Hi Mr Bipin,
>                  Everyone knows what happens when someone praises the
> development in Gujarat which is indirectly considered as an applaud to
> Chief
>
> Minister Narinder Modi.Anyone who brings in venom for Gujarat gets kudos
> from
> almost all.You would have by now known what punishment Maulana Vastanvi
> (Darul
> Uloom Chief). Maulana Vastavi only said that Muslim community is benefiting
> from
>
> the deveopment in Gujarat wherefrom he belongs.Maulana Vastanvi is now
> reported
> to have been asked to resign for his comments.
> Can those who criticize BJP answer which provision of Constitutional Law
> allows
> the Govt send back the train with passengers back to its originating point
> instead of the destination just because it had some BJP workers travelling
> for hoisting national Flag somewhere in the country.
> Regards,
>
> (A.K.MALIK)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
> To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Cc: sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 12:33:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] THROW OUT ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENT
>
> Whatever topic discussion going on, Gujarat always comes in the picture. I
> dont know why so much hatred for Gujarat. Vande Matram is a matru vandana
> (prayer for mother earth. She gives us so many things and in return we
> express thanks) song. That is what masses of India believe. Its question of
> faith. For those who dont believe, no one has forced to believe it or sing
> a song. Vande Matram, Jai Shree Ram has nothing to do patriotism. No one
> forced to sing it. However, if someone use it in election campaign, that is
> there individual choice.
>
> Hoisting of flag has nothing to do with patriotism. Among all Indian
> people,
> majority of them never hoisted the flag in their life. It does not mean
> that
> they are not patriotic. Most of us hoisted the flag in school and then
> never
> did it. But if on independence day, if someone want to hoist the flag in
> any
> part of India no one can stop it. By arguing that it will create
> disturbance, flag hoisting is not possible is just ridiculous argument. If
> state government show will to allow this ceremony with proper security than
> nothing will happen. But, problem is with state government. Since somewhere
> they also believe that Kashmir is not part of India and that is
> objectionable.
>
> By not allowing flag hoisting definitely increase the will of
> separatists/terrorists and goes wrong signal to them and Pak that India is
> weak country and cannot fight with us morally. This is what happening since
> many years and increases the strength of separatists/terrorists. Thats the
> reason, we were proved weak against fighting the terrorism.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
> From: Rakesh Iyer [mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:41 AM
> To: Bipin Trivedi
> Cc: sarai-list
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] THROW OUT ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENT
>
> Somewhere in Gujarat in 2002, as the election campaign was going on, people
> were equating Hindutva with patriotism, first saying Vande Mataram and then
> saying Jai Shree Ram, as if both are the notions of patriotism. Shouldn't
> we
> be ashamed about it?
>
> Every event has a context. If in the name of raising the national flag, the
> idea is to announce slogans which create riots, then who is being
> anti-national? And by the way, by holding Kashmir ransom to India using a
> huge army and a gang of police officers and paramilitary forces, there's no
> way the cause of the Indian nation is being served. Instead, it's this
> cause
> which is being harmed. The very existence of Kashmir in this way within the
> nation itself demeans the flag and its value. And all those who support it
> or indulge in it, should themselves be put behind bars for a change.
>
> What do people on this forum think?
>
> Rakesh
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
> What is going on in Kashmir? CM of J&K openly appealing to stop flag
> hoisting in Srinagar. Is central government listening or sleeping?
>  However,
> central government since long sleeping by allowing huge corruptions of CWG,
> 2G spectrum and more, so nothing new in it.
>
>
>
> By not allowing the democratic right of flag hoisting in any part of India
> is an insult to nation and government must throw out these antinational
> element out of the country.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
>
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