[Reader-list] THROW OUT ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENT

Fri Jan 28 21:42:39 IST 2011

Dear Malik,

Vastanvi is chief and so when he spoke that in Gujarat Muslims are very
happy, living with much lower discrimination compared to most of other
states. Since he is chief, the other Muslims leaders/chiefs objected it.
But, if you roam in Gujarat and take the opinion from most of the individual
muslims, you will get same opinion from most of them. But, those who wants
to stick at one point is not the sign of healthy society. Move ahead and
ahead is the living way of life. Muslim religion has no democracy and cannot
digest different opinion from their rigid thought. That is why they remain
backward. However, Muslims new generation has come out from their
mullah/maulvi and moving ahead is a good sign. There is infocity at
Gandhinagar, which is developing as IT hub and about 30% employer are
Muslims. Much ahead than their population ratio in Gujarat. Many such
non-discrimination examples can be given. In the last
assembly/municipal/gram panchayat elections, Muslims heavily voted for BJP. 

The argument is airing that by flag hoisting at Srinagar, BJP is trying to
divide the country. What a silly argument. By hoisting the flag at any part
of the country is divisive activity! Actually the separatists at Kashmir
really trying to divide the country, but pseudo-secular remain blind with
such activity.

Thanks
Bipin Trivedi

-----Original Message-----
From: A.K. Malik [mailto:akmalik45 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Bipin Trivedi
Cc: Sarai List
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] THROW OUT ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENT

Hi Mr Bipin,
                  Everyone knows what happens when someone praises the 
development in Gujarat which is indirectly considered as an applaud to Chief

Minister Narinder Modi.Anyone who brings in venom for Gujarat gets kudos
from 
almost all.You would have by now known what punishment Maulana Vastanvi
(Darul 
Uloom Chief). Maulana Vastavi only said that Muslim community is benefiting
from 

the deveopment in Gujarat wherefrom he belongs.Maulana Vastanvi is now
reported 
to have been asked to resign for his comments.
Can those who criticize BJP answer which provision of Constitutional Law
allows 
the Govt send back the train with passengers back to its originating point 
instead of the destination just because it had some BJP workers travelling 
for hoisting national Flag somewhere in the country.
Regards,

(A.K.MALIK)

----- Original Message ----
From: Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
Cc: sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 12:33:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] THROW OUT ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENT

Whatever topic discussion going on, Gujarat always comes in the picture. I
dont know why so much hatred for Gujarat. Vande Matram is a matru vandana
(prayer for mother earth. She gives us so many things and in return we
express thanks) song. That is what masses of India believe. Its question of
faith. For those who dont believe, no one has forced to believe it or sing
a song. Vande Matram, Jai Shree Ram has nothing to do patriotism. No one
forced to sing it. However, if someone use it in election campaign, that is
there individual choice.

Hoisting of flag has nothing to do with patriotism. Among all Indian people,
majority of them never hoisted the flag in their life. It does not mean that
they are not patriotic. Most of us hoisted the flag in school and then never
did it. But if on independence day, if someone want to hoist the flag in any
part of India no one can stop it. By arguing that it will create
disturbance, flag hoisting is not possible is just ridiculous argument. If
state government show will to allow this ceremony with proper security than
nothing will happen. But, problem is with state government. Since somewhere
they also believe that Kashmir is not part of India and that is
objectionable. 

By not allowing flag hoisting definitely increase the will of
separatists/terrorists and goes wrong signal to them and Pak that India is
weak country and cannot fight with us morally. This is what happening since
many years and increases the strength of separatists/terrorists. Thats the
reason, we were proved weak against fighting the terrorism.

Thanks
Bipin Trivedi

From: Rakesh Iyer [mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:41 AM
To: Bipin Trivedi
Cc: sarai-list
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] THROW OUT ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENT

Somewhere in Gujarat in 2002, as the election campaign was going on, people
were equating Hindutva with patriotism, first saying Vande Mataram and then
saying Jai Shree Ram, as if both are the notions of patriotism. Shouldn't we
be ashamed about it?

Every event has a context. If in the name of raising the national flag, the
idea is to announce slogans which create riots, then who is being
anti-national? And by the way, by holding Kashmir ransom to India using a
huge army and a gang of police officers and paramilitary forces, there's no
way the cause of the Indian nation is being served. Instead, it's this cause
which is being harmed. The very existence of Kashmir in this way within the
nation itself demeans the flag and its value. And all those who support it
or indulge in it, should themselves be put behind bars for a change. 

What do people on this forum think?

Rakesh
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
What is going on in Kashmir? CM of J&K openly appealing to stop flag
hoisting in Srinagar. Is central government listening or sleeping?  However,
central government since long sleeping by allowing huge corruptions of CWG,
2G spectrum and more, so nothing new in it.

By not allowing the democratic right of flag hoisting in any part of India
is an insult to nation and government must throw out these antinational
element out of the country.

Thanks

Bipin Trivedi

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