[Reader-list] Crowds?

Fri Sep 2 03:54:48 IST 2011

Khud hi ko kar buland itna ke har strike se pahle
Anna Inder se ye puche, bata teri raza kya hai.

TS Eliot used the term "hollow men" for the fence sitter. Guy Fawkes deserves more respect than those who criticize others from a distance. I am not sure which ones are hollower, those who jeer or those who cheer from a distance.

I pity the elitism of those who communalize, dehumanize or criticize Anna from the cheering side.

So for your dukh ki dava, get ready to sit on a hunger strike. If you can't, just wait, things may start looking better in a while:

Ranj se khoongar hua insan to mit jata ranj
Mushkilen mujh par pari itni ke aasan ho gain.

cheers

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Inder Salim 
  To: Tara Prakash 
  Cc: reader-list 
  Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Crowds?

  1. 

  Anna Hazare huva karay koi

  Maray dukh ki dava karay koi

  Kashmiris are calling Anna to fast for probe into the 2000 unidentified in mass graves in Kahsmir. Irom Sharmilla is also expecting Anna to do something, so are Manaser Maruti Factory workers.  The list is long. People are joking that Gandhi would be be replaced from currency notes soon. what to do? Poor Anna, he is not 1/100 of Gandhi, let alone Ibney Mriyam ( Christ himself ), yet... 

  2. 

  JP ( Jai Prakash Narayan ) would welcome even a dog if he is willing to bark at Indira Gandhi,( the dictator) .  JP is still a hero, but, oh, some of his dogs were infected with rabies. What to do? The crowd got attracted by something. Anna could have been Mamta, or Maya in UP, anything.

  3.

  for a while, let us forget JP, Anna ,Christ, etc, yet still have masses.  Examples are slippery, but here,  logically we see a rose and a swril of honey  bees. But how much we know about bees, they travel 300 kms and have a nose to return back home. While working they even fight with wasps and other dangerous birds who devour them  on the way, and in defence they sometimes  bite . Beyond their worker qualities, they help cross pollinations as a result of their honey collecting activities, without which most of the vegetation would have vanished by now. But how much we know about them actually. In short, these bees who look direction less without a queen bee or a big rose full of honey are actually quite knowledgeble about their activities, and they are still there, hovering: the space of a given atmosphere.  Is everything readable/legible about this atmosphere? Whether good or bad, the crowd often forces a change. Even Anna looks morphed from his protest at Jantar Mantar. A dalit and a muslim girl offered him the juice at the end of fast.

  On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:

    We heard some tv channels and CPI(M) operatives crying foul about RSS-Maoist alliance during the Nandi Gram movement.
    Some people who benefit from corruption would like to find any kind of dirt they can throw at this movement. I'm okay if Barkha Dutt is hackled by people tired of those who promote corruption. People may have different opinion about it, but Gopinath Munde is as hacklable as any other politician trying to infultrate a movement that has nothing to do with electoral politics.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net>
    To: "Reader List" <reader-list at sarai.net>
    Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:16 AM
    Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Crowds?

      "Not so elementary Watson, do not jump to conclusions". This remains  good advise from Mr.Holmes.

      If i was in RSS, i would be super happy with reports like these.  Shakhas (neighbourhood gatherings) have dwindled. The uniform looks  archaic. Membership falling. Some members and linkages mired in mutual  killing and terrorism. Etc. And here come passionate secularists who  bloat the image of powerful presence and added to that a mass  organizer. Superb. What cultural intelligence.!!

      On 01-Sep-11, at 9:25 AM, Tapas Ray [Gmail] wrote:

        Not exactly new, but worth repeating, as it's worth remembering --

        http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/is-rss-working-hard-for-affiliation-with-anna-130483

        Is RSS working hard for affiliation with Anna?

        Rahul Shrivastava‎, Updated: September 01, 2011 00:31 IST

        ...

        Through some visible and not so visible moves the RSS has tried to
        associate itself to Anna's campaign.
        On Tuesday, Mohan Bhagwat, the head of the BJP's parent body made a
        rare public appearance in Pune and said that "people were just fed up
        of corruption and they had no one to look up to and then came Anna's
        agitation which restored people's faith and also gave a boost to their
        confidence."

        Less than a fortnight ago the RSS top brass had met in Ujjain and
        cleared a 'Support Anna' resolution. Spurred by this BJP's Nitin
        Gadkari wrote to Anna, pledging his support.

        Old RSS hand and ex BJP Delhi Unit Chief Mangeram Garg - was heading
        the Sangh's "ops-room".
        At Ramlila Maidan, Anna's home during his 12 day fast, Sangh
        affiliates posted hundreds of men in the crowd, who could be
        identified by their chant of Vande Mataram.

        Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/is-rss-working-hard-for-affiliation-with-anna-130483&cp

        Kumar Vishwas, once a senior man within the RSS, was Anna's stage
        manager at Ramlila Maidan and was often seen reciting poems and
        introducing guests on stage. Coincidentally Vishwas was the stage
        manager for Yoga Guru Baba Ramdev's aborted protests too.

        Tejinder Pal of the Party's Yuva Morcha, which is the youth wing of
        the BJP helped mobilize those who protested outside the homes of
        Congress leaders to signal their dissastisfaction.

        The free meals that were a big draw at Ramlila Madian were funded. by
        the RSS' affiliate Goraksha (save the cow) unit.

        But the RSS kept its involvement discrete.  Anna insulated his
        protests from the saffron taint by forbidding right-or left wing
        leader from sharing the stage with him.  In fact two BJP MPs who
        visited Ramlila Maidan - Ananth Kumar and Gopinath Munde- to express
        solidarity to Anna - were heckled by the crowd.

        Team Anna opted to ignore the presence of RSS ranks among the
        protestors and the criticism it drew.

        "There was no direct financial support from the RSS to IAC (India
        Against Corruption movement).  There were no direct links with them or
        to funding, but they could well be part of the thousands and lakhs of
        volunteers who were helping with food ...and there's nothing wrong
        with that," said one of Anna's closest associates, Prashant Bhushan.

        Anna has warned that he has other causes - like electoral reforms for
        which he plans to campaign.  By affiliating closely with Anna, the RSS
        and the BJP are hoping to gain political points as key states like UP
        get ready to vote.

        On 31 August 2011 12:02, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:

          Perplexing why Partha Chatterjee (all entangled in corruption), Arjun
          Appadurai (fascist gathering), Arundhati Roy (came for reality  show) in
          their argument against the stage/studio so contemptuous of the  crowd. As if
          the connection between the crowd and stage is cemented. Is there no  way to
          read excess, overflow, disconnect, escape in the relation of crowd  to the
          stage? No fear of the Hydra headed crowd in the stage/studio?

          In Manesar Maruti factory the management has decided to get a "Good Conduct"
          agreement signed by each worker before they enter the factory. The conduct
          is to not engage in slow down, sit in, tampering, spanner in the  wheel, etc.
          It is said that few of the workers went to the Ramila Grounds and  cam back
          saying that they will sit on an "anshan". The management panicked  and set up
          a 300 strong police post inside the factory. The 11 day sit in  inside the
          factory in June is the background to this drastic move by the management.

          warmly
          jeebesh
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